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JoshSherman
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posted January 28, 2013 07:20 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for JoshSherman Click Here to Email JoshSherman Send a private message to JoshSherman Click to send JoshSherman an Instant MessageVisit JoshSherman's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View JoshSherman's Trade Auction or SaleView JoshSherman's Trade Auction or Sale
Unban it all, and print playable answers.

I'm only about half serious.
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walkerdog
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Jund had already gone into white for lingering souls + some SB cards. I think it may shift into a 4c w/o Red deck instead of 4c w/o Blue deck. Bolt becomes Path, you play Snapcaster, etc. Maybe not, but it seems plausible.
 
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posted January 28, 2013 09:54 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Bugger Click Here to Email Bugger Send a private message to Bugger Click to send Bugger an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by caquaa:
eh, you can't be serious, right? I mean what you're saying is that after someone pilots a deck and proves it performs well, someone shouldn't play it and they should make their own deck instead ignoring proven results? You seem to miss the important fundamental part of tournament play: winning.

Well, you've got to consider two things - first, that you're correct, but only to a certain extent. Taken to the extreme, your reasoning leads to environments like Urza, mirrodin, and scars/zen standards - where it's all about playing the best deck. And secondly, that it's not like this is a new attitude for modern or something. Wizards has been happily banning the dominant deck after a season or two of being on top to keep the format constantly changing. Honestly, short of Zoo at the very beginning, and 8post after that, and now Jund recently, I can't off the top of my head name what the DTB has been at any point in the format's history, and I think that's their goal. At some point, perhaps they'll start rotating things around, banning and unbanning to create variety (look guys, Jace is back for a season! Enjoy it now!), but they haven't found their baseline yet.

Seriously, I get your point, but if that's the kind of format you want, Modern isn't and hasn't really ever been the one for it.

 
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Predictable for Legacy, but rather boring. I just wish Emrakul would get buggered, even if it'll never happen. Annihilator 6 is just too much.

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I wonder when Modern's ban list will hit 100.

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posted January 28, 2013 12:11 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon Click Here to Email Volcanon Send a private message to Volcanon Click to send Volcanon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
I wonder when Modern's ban list will hit 100.


When George Burns does.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by walkerdog:
Jund had already gone into white for lingering souls + some SB cards. I think it may shift into a 4c w/o Red deck instead of 4c w/o Blue deck. Bolt becomes Path, you play Snapcaster, etc. Maybe not, but it seems plausible.

There's a better deck synergy simply by sticking to BUG if you want a snapcaster + deathrite + liliana core.

Some thoughts after pondering the bans.

- BUG and Junk midrange lists look like they are going to be the real deal.

- Smallpox lists might worm their way into the meta, given their strong matchup against Jund and Tron, and the decent matchup against Kiki-Pod. Affinity is rough, but post-board can be a breeze. Soul Sisters might make another comeback too. Both smallpox and soul sisters suffered from having awful combo matchups. There's always the possibility that people switch heavily into scapeshift, which is still good for soul sisters but awful for smallpox.

- UWR midrange and tempo lists look like they get the best deal out of these bannings. These decks could already hold their own against jund and storm, and they had very good matchups against the rogue decks.

- Jund is still a very real deck post-BBE. The only thing BBE did was give Jund the best possible 4-drop in terms of versatility, since it was very, very hard to get zero value from either the 3/2 body or the spell it flipped into. Huntmaster is looking like the likely replacement, but Olivia Voldaren is still a scary lady in the mirror and against other midrange lists. I could see the Soul Jund lists going with huntmaster and the regular jund lists sticking with Olivia.

 
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Only banned seething song because nubs hate losing to storm. I wish something got unbanned with the new bans. With BBE gone we won't get JTMS back since haste was a fair way to deal with him. Ancestral vision wouldn't have been much to ask.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
When George Burns does.

well played sir

 
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My only wish is that they had started the format with nothing banned and went from there. Let the meta take shape, evolve for 1 or 2 seasons and then decide what needed banned. The way they are doing it now is justifiable, except I don't like seething song being banned.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Only banned seething song because nubs hate losing to storm. I wish something got unbanned with the new bans. With BBE gone we won't get JTMS back since haste was a fair way to deal with him. Ancestral vision wouldn't have been much to ask.

How do you stop storm consistently if you're not running blue? They banned it to make other decks possible and the meta more fun. There is always legacy my friend

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quote:
Originally posted by theqissilent:
My only wish is that they had started the format with nothing banned and went from there. Let the meta take shape, evolve for 1 or 2 seasons and then decide what needed banned. The way they are doing it now is justifiable, except I don't like seething song being banned.

They did. They let the pros build decks for a world cup tourney with everything legal, then established the banlist to hose most of the more obnoxious combo decks, as well as some key players for control and midrange.

It seems that people are consistently forgetting that R&D publicly posted their goals for the modern format, one of which is the desire to have most decks incapable of winning before turn 4, or being in an unbeatable position before turn 4.

 

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