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Topic: Simu-sendin questions...
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stayathomedad New Member
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posted March 22, 2013 05:51 PM
  
I'm obviously new to motl.(Yes, I kick myself for not registering sooner lol).I'd like to know peoples opinion on simu-sending.My definition of simu-sending is arranging a time where both people meet at the post office and send at the same time. You can exchange tracking numbers etc...I've even offered to video it...So why isn't it more popular?
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Volcanon Member
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posted March 22, 2013 06:08 PM

It's a pain in the butt to arrange.
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iccarus Member
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posted March 22, 2013 06:12 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by stayathomedad: I'm obviously new to motl.(Yes, I kick myself for not registering sooner lol).I'd like to know peoples opinion on simu-sending.My definition of simu-sending is arranging a time where both people meet at the post office and send at the same time. You can exchange tracking numbers etc...I've even offered to video it...So why isn't it more popular?
It's actually against the law to take video or take pictures if ite ms you're mailing. __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air!I collect Granite Gargoyles. Send them my way.
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mm1983 Member
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posted March 22, 2013 06:38 PM
  
Its just something that both parties agree to do before a trade is confirmed. All new people I deal with send first unless they have 50 or more refs. I generally don't care if the person sends their end out a day after I send my end out if we agree to simulsend.
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Link139232 Member
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posted March 22, 2013 06:56 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by iccarus: It's actually against the law to take video or take pictures if ite ms you're mailing.
No it isn't.
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Volcanon Member
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posted March 22, 2013 07:10 PM

quote: Originally posted by iccarus: It's actually against the law to take video or take pictures if ite ms you're mailing.
That sounds preposterous. Can you quote me the section where it says this? Would presumably be a federal law in the US.
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caquaa Member
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posted March 22, 2013 07:18 PM
  
being new, I'd recommend against it. Simul sending and sending first carry the same risk, just send first to well referenced members or get someone to act as a third party.
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iccarus Member
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posted March 22, 2013 08:44 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: That sounds preposterous. Can you quote me the section where it says this? Would presumably be a federal law in the US.
I have heard clerks say several times (at different locations) that Homeland Security restrictions prevent you from taking a picture of an item after it has been submitted at the counter. Granted, I hear clerks say a lot of things, so who knows how legit that is. I don't really feel like digging through federal codes tonight and a general google search doesn't give me anything...so yeah, probably bull. __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air!I collect Granite Gargoyles. Send them my way.
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keywacat Member
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posted March 23, 2013 02:11 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by stayathomedad: My definition of simu-sending is arranging a time where both people meet at the post office and send at the same time. You can exchange tracking numbers etc...I've even offered to video it...So why isn't it more popular?
It would get very tricky for traders far outside your timezone. quote: Originally posted by iccarus: I have heard clerks say several times (at different locations) that Homeland Security restrictions prevent you from taking a picture of an item after it has been submitted at the counter.
My impression of DHS is they will promulgate any nonsense that increases their control over American society. That and most people take 'official statements' at face value.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by keywacat on March 23, 2013]
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Basaka Member
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posted March 23, 2013 02:45 AM
  
I think of simul-sending as both parties sending their sides out within a 1-2 day timeframe (also accounting for weekends, time zone etc).
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iccarus Member
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posted March 23, 2013 07:05 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by keywacat: My impression of DHS is they will promulgate any nonsense that increases their control over American society. That and most people take 'official statements' at face value.
It's more about just not wanting to fight over something so trivial. __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air!I collect Granite Gargoyles. Send them my way.
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keywacat Member
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posted March 23, 2013 07:55 AM
  
Not wanting to fight over or question something 'so trivial' is what got that country to where it is now, and why I left.
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iccarus Member
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posted March 23, 2013 09:31 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by keywacat: Not wanting to fight over or question something 'so trivial' is what got that country to where it is now, and why I left.
Oh please, it's not like my ability to take a picture inside a government building is indicative of the overall collapse of freedom in American society. Fighting with a postal clerk over something like this does nothing. Challenging it would require going over their head, which I have no interest in wasting my time to do, as it has almost zero impact on my life. If they threatened to have me arrested, that would be a different story. Besides, it's not like taking a picture of a piece of mail being dropped off at the post office proves anything substantial. Unless you start doing continuous video of you packing up the cards, sealing up the package, and then paying for/mailing it off, then all it shows is you mailed something to that person. As for the OP, the kind of synchronization you are proposing is just impractical. People have busy schedules and trying to get them to show up at a specific place at a specific time to mail something just is not going to work. What about people who print their own postage at home? That's how I send almost everything anymore. I print and package at home, then give it to the carrier who stops by our office. The only time I even set foot in a post office anymore is when I have a larger package to ship. Basically, simul-send in the eyes of most traders on here means you are sending on the same day. __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air!I collect Granite Gargoyles. Send them my way.
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keywacat Member
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posted March 23, 2013 10:58 AM
  
Look man, you're the one that made the initial and incorrect blanket statement without any solid footing. I don't see asking about a policy as fighting or going over someone's head. I see it as your right to know what your government is doing, no matter how trivial the item may be.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by keywacat on March 23, 2013]
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iccarus Member
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posted March 23, 2013 11:22 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by keywacat: Look man, you're the one that made the initial and incorrect blanket statement without any solid footing.
I understand that. I also acknowledged where the basis for that statement came from and fully admitted it might in fact be untrue. I probably should have phrased it differently and made it clear in my OP, but I didn't, so here we are. I'm not trying to provoke an argument. I just felt the need to address your impression that the USDHS seems bent on doing whatever it pleases to exert control over the American public, since I do not agree with it. __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air!I collect Granite Gargoyles. Send them my way.
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keywacat Member
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posted March 23, 2013 11:26 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by iccarus: I understand that. I also acknowledged where the basis for that statement came from and fully admitted it might in fact be untrue. I probably should have phrased it differently and made it clear in my OP, but I didn't, so here we are.I'm not trying to provoke an argument. I just felt the need to address your impression that the USDHS seems bent on doing whatever it pleases to exert control over the American public, since I do not agree with it.
As is your right not to agree with me. 
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rockondon Member
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posted March 23, 2013 01:52 PM
  
No matter what precautions we take, we're on the honor system. I could take a crap in an envelope and send it registered. Making additional sending arrangements is not useful, unless your purpose is to annoy.
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dputz Member
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posted March 23, 2013 04:58 PM

quote: Originally posted by rockondon: No matter what precautions we take, we're on the honor system. I could take a crap in an envelope and send it registered. Making additional sending arrangements is not useful, unless your purpose is to annoy.
I believe you would be restricted from sending your crap : ORM-D (Other Regulated Material) material is a limited quantity of a hazardous material that presents a limited hazard during transportation due to its form, quantity, and packaging. Not all hazardous materials permitted to be shipped as a limited quantity can qualify as an ORM-D material. The ORM-D category is only applicable for materials intended for ground transportation. Effective January 1, 2015, the ORM-D category will be eliminated for materials intended for surface transportation. After this date, the mailability of materials previously fitting the description of ORM-D must be evaluated based on its eligibility under the applicable consumer commodity or mailable limited quantity categories.
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ermabwed Member
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posted March 23, 2013 06:39 PM
  
I can think of several other reasons for taking the crap prior to reaching the actual counter at the post office. Bubble mailer taped up should get through fine.__________________ Always buying misprints. See my list for the best Alternate 4th buy prices in the world (bulk rares $3!) T-Chinese Portal Feral Shadow $8 Legends APs
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bigballashotcaller Member
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posted March 23, 2013 11:32 PM
  
Why are you even discussing videotaping sending crap at the post office? Have you ever heard of Delivery Confirmation?
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pugowar Member
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posted March 24, 2013 05:51 AM
  
Also what would happen if you sent the cards to someone but they went out of town and your cards were left on the door step and then someone defecated on them?These are the types of problems we need more clearly spelled out in the rules or we are just begging for a new flood of BTAs. /tic
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yorib Member
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posted March 25, 2013 08:03 AM

quote: Originally posted by iccarus: I have heard clerks say several times (at different locations) that Homeland Security restrictions prevent you from taking a picture of an item after it has been submitted at the counter.Granted, I hear clerks say a lot of things, so who knows how legit that is. I don't really feel like digging through federal codes tonight and a general google search doesn't give me anything...so yeah, probably bull.
Other than strange looks, I've never had an issue with taking pictures of letters after they've been stamped/postmarked. This includes post offices in the Loop.
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Demilio Member
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posted March 25, 2013 09:58 AM
  
My PO is a bunch of jerks that want to milk every penny out of their customers, they did however allow me to photograph a postmark on an intl shipment.
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deegeebee Member
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posted March 25, 2013 11:38 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by pugowar: Also what would happen if you sent the cards to someone but they went out of town and your cards were left on the door step and then someone defecated on them?These are the types of problems we need more clearly spelled out in the rules or we are just begging for a new flood of BTAs. /tic
Have had someone poop on my doorstep when I used to live downtown, moved shortly after that. Luckily there were no magic cards there at the time.
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mm1983 Member
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posted March 25, 2013 12:21 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Demilio:
My PO is a bunch of jerks that want to milk every penny out of their customers, they did however allow me to photograph a postmark on an intl shipment.
About PO's milking every penny out of their customers, my post office won't allow me to send a playset of cards in a toploader in a white envelope for .46 even though it passes as non machineable for weight. Where my problem lies is because the toploader is what they call "too rigid" the sorting machine catches it and it jams up the machine I have been told. As a result of this I must ship everything for a minimum of .66 per item. This would not be a problem for most people who only ship 1 or 2 items but when I run a full month listing on Ebay I probably ship 30-40 different items a day like that.
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