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Topic: The real discussion behind Voice of Resurgence
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2austin5
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posted May 12, 2013 08:55 AM
        
So Ive seen a few threads about pricing on voice, but, none of them get too in depth. I would like to see a good discussion about this card because my friend wants to trade me his and I don't know if I want it or not because the cards he wants are modern staples. So part of this is about the price of voice both short and long term and the other part of the discussion is what makes it good/bad. Have at it guys! (please not a lot of trolling, I really want to get a general consensus)
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caquaa
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posted May 13, 2013 11:44 PM
so I played vs the dude that won GP portland in round 8 at X-1. Voice of resurgence is crap.... however the token it makes is stupid. It got played into an empty board, poded away into e witness, a lingering souls got played, etc. Became bigger than my goyf very quickly and ran away w/ the game. I'm not sure it has that many homes in modern, but in pod it seems like the real deal.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by caquaa on May 14, 2013]
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choco man
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posted May 14, 2013 12:23 AM
If I had a friend who had some extra Voice of Resurgences and he wanted to turn them into cards he would use, I wouldn't let him trade them in for standard cards right now.Since I care about my friends, I would put it to him like this:
1. It's bad for you in the short-term because these cards are really in demand now so why sell yourself short? 2. It's bad for you in the long-term because these cards are worth a lot now and if you want Modern cards you should do it now. That way, in the long-term even if it drops, you'll have Modern cards. He might be better than Deathrite in Standard and Cube, but in the other formats prob not. A card doesn't need eternal implications for it to be pricey though.
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paragondave
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posted May 14, 2013 04:01 AM
I like it long term as well as short term. I'd trade him as long as he didn't want crazy value out of it. $25-30 seems reasonable. If you don't want them, send him my way. 
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gaeacradle
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posted May 14, 2013 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by paragondave:
I like it long term as well as short term. I'd trade him as long as he didn't want crazy value out of it. $25-30 seems reasonable. If you don't want them, send him my way.
I agree. I would gladly pick him up for around $25 in trade. But I sold 3 locally for $35 each since we have a shortage, so getting them from me is a little bit harder since I already have a couple of buyers lined up for my remaining 2 extra.
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daner
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posted May 14, 2013 07:38 PM
It's a MUCH better card in Modern than Standard. Standard drives prices on the newer stuff even if you dont want to admit that or not. It's a solid card, but if someone offered me $35 cash....TAKE IT PLEASE! It won't drop as much as Reckoner/DRS did...bc it sits at mythic rarity in a 3rd set...but If you're getting $35 in cash/trade for them I'd unload. I'd say solid $15-20 card for the forseeable future. Price is soo high right now due to supply/demand. It also doesn't have solid footing in Standard atm. Modern card prices dip into the summer months bc it's not in season. As Caquaa pointed out though...it's REALLY good in pod.dec...but not so much love elsewhere. I'd get what you can out of him now, and buy back in later when the price goes down. You will never see another Tarmogoyf price like we have before on a card in Standard, or even JTMS. Too many people utilize MTGO redemption, too many new players in the game, and tons of packs are being opened. If you can sell or trade @ 30-35...snap take that offer.
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hilikuS
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posted May 14, 2013 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by daner:
You will never see another Tarmogoyf price like we have before on a card in Standard, or even JTMS. Too many people utilize MTGO redemption, too many new players in the game, and tons of packs are being opened. If you can sell or trade @ 30-35...snap take that offer.
I'm not gonna argue whether or not we'll see another Goyf/Jace, but I feel like having more players around increases supply just as much as demand to the point where that sort of thing is a wash.
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daner
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posted May 14, 2013 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by hilikuS:
I'm not gonna argue whether or not we'll see another Goyf/Jace, but I feel like having more players around increases supply just as much as demand to the point where that sort of thing is a wash.
Let me rephrase my statement...there are enough new players that will want to just crack packs of new product for fun, I don't think you'll ever see a shortage on a card like you did with the others. Nobody EVER cracked packs of Future sight for fun. If you say you did I'll take you to the hospital and commit you myself. WW was just a short print. MTGO redemption was not nearly as big or popular during FS as it is now. It's basically a way to print free money if you do it right. In the case of JTMS, yes, redemption was a lot more popular...but that was also a 70+ tix rare when it was only a $50 card in standard, and when it was $70 irl it was pushing over 100 tix online. The rest of that set couldn't recoup your losses in buying out Jaces. That's the first time that I can remember a card online was just grossly overpriced in comparasion to it's current standard cardboard copy unless you trek all the way back to maybe the old days when Vindicate and Deed were 150 tix rares.
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wayne
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posted May 15, 2013 12:08 AM
I'm not sure there will be as many redemptions nowadays since the cost has gone up.
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hilikuS
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posted May 15, 2013 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by daner:
Let me rephrase my statement...there are enough new players that will want to just crack packs of new product for fun, I don't think you'll ever see a shortage on a card like you did with the others. Nobody EVER cracked packs of Future sight for fun. If you say you did I'll take you to the hospital and commit you myself. WW was just a short print.
I always kind of wanted to meet some of you guys from PA, but I don't think those terms are favorable lol. I think you can definitely argue that the sets themselves are so much more popular that each of the players is opening more of it too. As you theorize, the new players are cracking it. The old ones are too based on the popularity of the previous Rav block. I pre-sell boxes locally for friends, and these past few sets have been nuts with the amount people have asked for. I'm sort of dreading M14 because it'll be super sad for sales. It almost has to be after the crazy high that was RTR.
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Bugger
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posted May 15, 2013 08:59 AM
I sank my Voice into roughly 30+$ of more stable cards (mostly shocks) and I've never looked back.
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Link139232
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posted May 15, 2013 07:45 PM
The card just isn't very good to begin with. Modern, maybe, standard, no way.
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mcelraca
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posted May 15, 2013 08:04 PM
It's a decent card, but not nearly as good people are making it out to be. The set overall is a little shotty and it's one of the better cards in the set (which has helped drive it to its current price).I think it'll be dropping down in price quite a bit in the coming month. it would be silly to trade your modern staples, unless you really want the voice. if you're trading the voice for modern staples then i'd say you've got a good deal.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by mcelraca on May 15, 2013]
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Thanos
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posted May 15, 2013 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by daner:
Nobody EVER cracked packs of Future sight for fun.
Um, I did...I wasn't playing at the time and just wanted to prove a point that I can pull good cards out of packs, of course it had a Goyf in it.
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paragondave
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posted May 16, 2013 12:48 AM
I love it! It's worth $15-20 tops but if someone offers me $35, sold! LMAO!
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daner
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posted May 16, 2013 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by wayne:
I'm not sure there will be as many redemptions nowadays since the cost has gone up.
Cost of redemption went up...price of cards on MTGO went down...kinda balanced itself out. It's not a complete wash but it's noticable. Yes...it did technically go up a little bit though, the prices haven't relieved the 5x price hike on redemption per set...but it's still very profitable. They shouldn't have made it $25 .....they should have just capped the number of sets you can redeem.
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Originally posted by Thanos:
Um, I did...I wasn't playing at the time and just wanted to prove a point that I can pull good cards out of packs, of course it had a Goyf in it.
You live in Philadelphia....you don't count as a sane human being.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by daner on May 16, 2013]
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Thanos
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posted May 18, 2013 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by daner:
You live in Philadelphia....you don't count as a sane human being.
Haha, that could be it.
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wayne
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posted May 18, 2013 08:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by daner:
Cost of redemption went up...price of cards on MTGO went down...kinda balanced itself out. It's not a complete wash but it's noticable. Yes...it did technically go up a little bit though, the prices haven't relieved the 5x price hike on redemption per set...but it's still very profitable.They shouldn't have made it $25 .....they should have just capped the number of sets you can redeem.
How does capping work when one can have multiple accounts?
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daner
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posted May 18, 2013 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by wayne:
How does capping work when one can have multiple accounts?
Doesn't it cost $10 per account? Make it so each account can only redeem 1-2 playsets of both standard/foil versions of sets?
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caquaa
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posted May 18, 2013 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by daner:
Doesn't it cost $10 per account? Make it so each account can only redeem 1-2 playsets of both standard/foil versions of sets?
so you have some random initial investment to get accounts then just reuse them next time you need? Seems like a poorly thought out idea.
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paragondave
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posted May 19, 2013 09:04 PM
Looks like it's showing up in a lot of winning decks lately.
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Sovarius
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posted May 21, 2013 01:09 PM
seems alright with lingering souls.fists of ironwood, haha. so, it basically makes Wayfaring Temples __________________
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