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fluffycow
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posted June 10, 2013 02:41 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for fluffycow Click Here to Email fluffycow Send a private message to fluffycow Click to send fluffycow an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by GenghisTom:
It sounds like there is some dysfunction with your play group. The fact that you felt the need to reach out to a forum for a question of ethics goes to show there is a significant lack of communication going on between you and the members in your playgroup.

If something bothers you then let it be known to them, and try to work it out. Joining a forum in an attempt to vent your frustration as well as hope for people you don't know to validate your position without any contextual knowledge is the wrong play.

You will find no answers here.
You'll just get insta-flamed.


I never understood this mentality. The guy probably got bored and wanted to share something with the community. He had an interesting topic (seeing as how it got this many replies) and people are discussing it, I don't see what's so wrong about this. Not every thread needs a super intense purpose (and I seriously doubt he actually needs your opinion on this matter).

Sometimes, I just visit this thread just see if there's anything interesting and see what people thought of different situations, even hypothetical. Marvin Austria makes an effort in the value forum and I am sure he knows what he's doing more than most of the people that give him opinion.

ps.
I always thought marlo's stories were interesting and funny, and people just flamed him out of here. Not gonna lie, but it's a lot quieter without him

 
Sovarius
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posted June 10, 2013 03:48 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Sovarius Click Here to Email Sovarius Send a private message to Sovarius Click to send Sovarius an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Sovarius's Trade Auction or SaleView Sovarius's Trade Auction or Sale
quote:
Originally posted by MasterWolf:
If you really need that Sword trigger, maybe don't attack the person about to die.

Or don't play with scheisty poor sport losers at all, since they will ragequit just to spite you like a butthurt crybaby.
Ripping the winner off of something he earned through technicalities because you can't win on your own (to which these players would have a lot of great excuses why they were losing) is just bs, and it's sad. Lose with some dignity.

quote:
Originally posted by KGtheLegend:
We just continue to play like the hit went through and Sword/Jitte effects go off.

I would probably not play with him anymore. But that's a good rule and what i do.

quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
There is a reason why at my house if you die and somebody has one of your permanents you get to keep it. Fixed some of the bs

I always thought that this was a great rule for multiplayer. That opponent's death shouldn't really mean you lose whatever he summoned, flavor wise i think it would still exist. I know sometimes people have to leave a game but i'd be down to make a physical representation like a token.

I can't imagine a sore loser playing a dumb political deck like Zedruu.

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paragondave
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quote:
Originally posted by Gary Mansur:
This is the scenario: I managed to get out an early It That Betrays and started swinging at the player who I'd benefit most from getting sacrificed permanents. After the second attack, he simply concedes in order to deprive me of the extra card power in my fight against the others.

Is it just me, or is this petty and unsportsmanlike? Granted, it's not terribly fun to be set back like that, but is it more fun to sit and watch everyone else play? This also tends to happen when the person's killer would gain life (or anything else) in the process of killing someone.

Compounding matters is how our playgroup feels that the first person to lose should go first in the next game. While I have no qualms with the spirit of this rule, they apparently find it valid to play first even if their loss was a concession.

Thoughts?


You asked for thoughts, then get defensive when you don't like the thoughts given.

I would have scooped too, in order to reduce the benefit you'd take. Sounds like a strategy to me and not him being petty. You sound petty taking offense from it.

 
Devonin
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posted June 11, 2013 04:16 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Devonin Click Here to Email Devonin Send a private message to Devonin Click to send Devonin an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Devonin's Have/Want ListView Devonin's Have/Want List
In all formats at all times, as soon as it becomes clear that I have no chance of winning, I'll concede. Has nothing to do with pettiness, and everything to do with not wasting everybody's time going through motions that are already foregone.
 
pugowar
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posted June 11, 2013 04:13 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for pugowar Click Here to Email pugowar Send a private message to pugowar Click to send pugowar an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View pugowar's Have/Want ListView pugowar's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by stab107:
Is this guy Marlo returned?

Seriously thought the exact same thing.
I hope you at least bought him a soda!

 
Devonin
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Might as well go for a soda
Nobody hurts and nobody cries
Might as well go for a soda
Nobody drowns and nobody dies
 
MeddlingMage
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quote:
Originally posted by stab107:
Is this guy Marlo returned?

quote:
Originally posted by Gary Mansur:
Oh, you guys know marlo? Sweet. He is my BFF

~MM

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Zeckk
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I didn't think this forum could get any more clique-ish, but then the marlo squad had to do it's thing... what a cesspool.
 
oneofchaos
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posted June 12, 2013 06:58 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for oneofchaos Click Here to Email oneofchaos Send a private message to oneofchaos Click to send oneofchaos an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Zeckk:
I didn't think this forum could get any more clique-ish, but then the marlo squad had to do it's thing... what a cesspool.


Ugh you must be in that other clique that doesn't think it's a clique. When will MOTL get hipster tags?
 
psilence6k
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hilikuS
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quote:
Originally posted by Devonin:
In all formats at all times, as soon as it becomes clear that I have no chance of winning, I'll concede. Has nothing to do with pettiness, and everything to do with not wasting everybody's time going through motions that are already foregone.

In Multi-player it's a little different though I think. Unless you're completely dead to rights, you're never really out of it. Another player might see it fit to save your butt and form an alliance against the guy who tried to kill you. If it effects the game for the other players, even if it means just taking some damage and nothing else, I feel like you should stay in the game.

Of course this can easily be swayed by several factors for me.

Opponent has Omniscience and is taking needless amounts of time to win.
There's another game starting up.
I'm sleepy.
I'm leaving.
There's pizza.
I'm trading.
etc.


There have been games where one player, who always did the same crap would try to combo off, and we would just let him, unopposed. He would declare it. Soon as he says "I'm going off." The next player started his turn and the game continued without combo guy. So ignoring a player is basically a concession, right?

 
Pail42
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posted June 18, 2013 11:16 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:
There have been games where one player, who always did the same crap would try to combo off, and we would just let him, unopposed. He would declare it. Soon as he says "I'm going off." The next player started his turn and the game continued without combo guy. So ignoring a player is basically a concession, right?

I've done similar once or twice. "Okay you win, but the rest of us are going to play for second place"

 
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posted June 18, 2013 05:30 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for valorale Click Here to Email valorale Send a private message to valorale Click to send valorale an Instant MessageVisit valorale's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Depends on the context. If I got the impression that the guy was being whiny and a sore loser I would probably exclude them from future multiplayer games. This seriously reeks of "Im taking my ball and going home!"

When you play a game, not just Magic everyone wants to do well. But sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug. Whats important is if youre doing poorly you take it in stride and dont **** on the people who are doing well.

 

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