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Topic: Are The Power Level Differences Between Formats Overblown?
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exbryan New Member
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posted June 12, 2013 07:14 PM

Okay, before anybody starts jumping all over my case, yes, I know that there are differences in the power level between the main formats, Standard, Modern, Legacy and Vintage. To say otherwise is absurd.But are the "real" differences between them overblown in the minds of most players? Here is why I am asking. Yesterday, I was playing at a Legacy event. I happened to get a bye in one round and another guy's opponent dropped. So we decided to sit down and play for fun against each other. Well, I took out the wrong deck. I sometimes bring more than one deck with me. I shuffled up my cards, drew my 7, looked at my hand and realized I had pulled out my Standard Junk Reanimator deck. I burst out laughing, telling my friend Matt that I pulled out my Standard deck by mistake. He offered to let me take out my Legacy deck but I said neh, let's play it. It was for fun anyway and I didn't really care. Besides, the deck's a hoot to play. So anyway, I start out by dropping a shock land and he wastes it. LOL. I figure this is gonna be a laugh riot. I'll cut to the chase. He was playing RUG Delver. We went to a third game and I took it. That's right. My Standard Junk Reanimator deck beat his Legacy RUG Delver deck. Now if the disparity in power levels between the two formats was so ridiculously wide, there is no way in hell I should have even been in that match, let alone win it. It really got me to thinking. Are we so programmed to believe that deck X from format A cannot possibly beat Deck Z from format B because format B is the more "powerful" format? Obviously, I proved yesterday that this isn't the case. It IS possible for a Standard deck to beat a Legacy deck. Consistently? Probably not. But this does make me question just how great the power levels between formats are and if a lot of what we make of them is just in our own prejudices and preconceived notions. In other words, is the "8" gap in power level between Standard and Legacy really more like a 5 or a 4? I never in a million years expected to win that match. Hell, I never expected to even make it a contest. I will never look at this game the same way again after yesterday because I was one of those people who believed that if you played a Standard deck against a Legacy deck, you would lose 100% of the time.
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wayne Member
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posted June 12, 2013 07:21 PM
  
I do not think they are overblown, try playing against the Legacy combo decks.
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jbark Member
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posted June 12, 2013 07:40 PM
  
Yea a legacy combo deck wouldn't get you past turn 3/4 if your lucky.
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Volcanon Member
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posted June 12, 2013 07:52 PM

Legacy decks don't have to meta against top T2 decks, usually. So their card choices are completely different. Thus T2 decks often have good matchups against certain Legacy decks.
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted June 12, 2013 08:11 PM

I wonder how you would've done vs Thoughtseize, Hymn, Liliana, and Deathrite Shaman
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flam flawless Member
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posted June 12, 2013 08:53 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: I wonder how you would've done vs Thoughtseize, Hymn, Liliana, and Deathrite Shaman
or Pernicious Deed... I played a Legacy deck that was the same colors as my deck (W/G/B) that had alot of the bigger $ cards in it. Mine was a 60 card Highlander build, and it took him till 5 cards left in the library to take it down. It's a little bit of luck of the draw, the meta (since there's so many more options), and your deck's synergies.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by flam flawless on June 12, 2013]
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junichi Moderator
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posted June 12, 2013 09:00 PM
  
Different meta makes a big difference.Back in the days, I played against my friend's full powered Type 1 Hulk Smash deck with my standard legal urzatron.dec that runs Juggernaught, Bosh, Clockwork Dragon, O Stone, and Mindslaver. We played at least a dozen games, and I won 80% of the time. He simply just don't have enough answers for all the fatties other than fow, mana drain, and a few swords. A lot of time, he would have to mana drain a 7-8cc spell and mana burn for 5 or more because he just can't use them up. Good times.
__________________ (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻"The enemy has been destroyed, sir. So have the forest, the city, your palace, your dog . . ." —Keldon soldier
[Edited 1 times, lastly by junichi on June 12, 2013]
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Helheimr New Member
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posted June 12, 2013 10:30 PM
  
Non-combo legacy decks are generally worse in power level comparatively to modern/standard as they need to pack cards like Force of Will to survive in the meta. For example, the popular Stoneblade deck can't do very much against decks that can just pop the Jitte/Batterskull or strip them away.Legacy decks will out-combo modern/standard combo decks faster however as they can be more reliably put together, and the majority of legacy decks can usually shut down modern/standard combo.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Helheimr on June 12, 2013]
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Deathbydrawing Member
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posted June 13, 2013 05:35 PM
  
Should have gone against ANT
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KIP_NZ Member
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posted June 13, 2013 08:32 PM

quote: Originally posted by Deathbydrawing: Should have gone against ANT
What about Belcher.... __________________ Adrian Eternal Rules Former DCI Level 2 Judge (Retired)
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oneofchaos Member
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posted June 13, 2013 09:14 PM

You picked like the most Anti-other legacy deck there is. A deck playing stifles and dazes, is going to be counting dead cards against a deck that has no fetches and plenty of lands.
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harbingerofthevoid Member
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posted June 13, 2013 09:22 PM
  
This same post exists on MTGS. Same responses.Your **** deck won 1 game vs. a deck that would beat it 99/100 times in the format it was made for. Your logic is flawed. You didn't "get lucky." Your deck will lose 889/100 (just a random number) to to any deck made for the format it was supposed to play in. *Hell I won 3rd in a tourney by MD 4 Lobotomy. I killed with Iridescent Angel. 4cc Control circa '2001(?)
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Sovarius Member
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posted June 14, 2013 12:34 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by exbryan: We went to a third game and I took it.Obviously, I proved
Your sample size proves nothing. __________________ Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief, and other vampire females oddities (crimp miscut misprint sign testprint alters etc)My Saleslist Wants
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oneofchaos Member
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posted June 17, 2013 03:24 PM

quote: Originally posted by Sovarius: Your sample size proves nothing.
Other than your inability to do statistical analysis 
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Devonin Member
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posted June 17, 2013 04:25 PM
  
I came in 2nd at FNM standard one week with a deck that only had 3 rares. Clearly the power level differences between commons and rares are just exaggerated.
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choco man Member
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posted June 17, 2013 04:56 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Devonin: I came in 2nd at FNM standard one week with a deck that only had 3 rares. Clearly the power level differences between commons and rares are just exaggerated.
Nah, don't sell yourself short. MTG is a game of skill and you just clearly have the skillz 
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Devonin Member
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posted June 17, 2013 05:43 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by choco man: Nah, don't sell yourself short. MTG is a game of skill and you just clearly have the skillz 
If by 'skillz' you mean "Went so wildly far away from what the actual meta was that nobody was remotely set up to deal with me" then sure.
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valorale Member
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posted June 18, 2013 05:43 PM

No the power level is not overblown. Not even close.
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