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Topic: Unlimited Black Lotus - is it real? Dark Beta?
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Marcio Jr New Member
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posted July 11, 2013 03:51 PM

Hi,I recently purchased an Unlimited Black Lotus from an online card shop. I received it and the color was a little darker than other Unlimited artifacts I own. Also, the text on the card title seems darker than usual, almost blending with the rest of the card: [IMG]http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t521/marcioljunior/8619_zps194fed48.jpeg[/IMG] Here is a high quality scan of the card. I guess the card seems even darker by looking at it, than on this scan. So, what do you think? Is it real? Is it a counterfeit? Thanks in advance.
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KIP_NZ Member
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posted July 11, 2013 05:07 PM

Hi, Pretty sure that's not Dark Beta as they were all beta aka Black Bordered cards to be the best of my knowledge not unlimited. The other way to spot Dark Beta is the out of focus font for "Mono Artifact". Zooming in the card shows those fonts are right. This doesn't mean the card is real, it just means it's not dark beta.Have you tried: Light test Jewelers lope to see the printing clusters vs a known UL card? If it passes those 2 tests you can reasonably conclude it's real. __________________ Adrian Eternal Rules Former DCI Level 2 Judge (Retired)
[Edited 1 times, lastly by KIP_NZ on July 11, 2013]
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thror Member
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posted July 11, 2013 05:10 PM
  
please dont bend it. and please stop telling people to do that. anything a bend test determines can be found out other ways, and you wont be bending cards to do it.__________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."<@Anusien> Pretty sure New Zealanders are the sheep shaggers <KIP_NZ> Anusien: I'm a kiwi and I've shagged a sheep <KIP_NZ> we kiwi's like our sheep
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Jazaray Moderator
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posted July 11, 2013 05:16 PM

And stop using photobucket. It SUCKS for pictures.
Thanks, Jazaray __________________ A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick: There was a nice lassie named Jaz Many wished to have what she has, A delicate face, A soft warm embrace, And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom. Melaleuca, go ahead, ask me what it is...
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Marcio Jr New Member
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posted July 11, 2013 06:49 PM

quote: Originally posted by Jazaray: And stop using photobucket. It SUCKS for pictures.
Thanks, Jazaray
Uploaded another version: http://www.imageshack.com/i/0xx9zgj I've done the light test. It seems to pass a little less light than the Unlimited Time Vault I have, but light passes. What should I look for wuth the jeweler's loupe?
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JayC Member
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posted July 11, 2013 07:44 PM

quote: Originally posted by Marcio Jr: Uploaded another version:http://www.imageshack.com/i/0xx9zgj I've done the light test. It seems to pass a little less light than the Unlimited Time Vault I have, but light passes. What should I look for wuth the jeweler's loupe?
You're looking at the printing / pixels, is it the same as other legit cards, or not?
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Marcio Jr New Member
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posted July 11, 2013 10:02 PM

quote: Originally posted by JayC: You're looking at the printing / pixels, is it the same as other legit cards, or not?
I will get a loupe to look closely. But, at a first glance, It seems that the patterns are very close.
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caquaa Member
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posted July 12, 2013 03:44 AM
  
if your eyes are anything like mine are getting, just do a 1200 dpi scan and you can blow it up on your monitor and easily see the print pattern.
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headumpire Member
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posted July 12, 2013 08:55 PM

The Lotus is also a bit darker than most artifacts. threw me off the first few times too
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Scared of Nature Member
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posted August 13, 2013 09:28 PM

dark beta was mtg cards printed by carta mundi employees after hours was it not? i dont see how checking the printing pattern would determine if its fake or not.
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Pail42 Member
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posted August 14, 2013 10:35 AM

quote: Originally posted by Scared of Nature: dark beta was mtg cards printed by carta mundi employees after hours was it not? i dont see how checking the printing pattern would determine if its fake or not.
It might reveal a fake, but it probably wouldn't reveal a "dark beta" fake.
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Tha Gunslinga Moderator
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posted August 14, 2013 06:07 PM
  
"Dark Beta" cards are not real. They do not have the same printing pattern as real cards, and they look "off" compared to real cards. There are "Dark Beta" counterfeits of Beta, Unlimited, Antiquities, Legends, and Arabian Nights cards. I have seen a fake Revised Bayou that looked similar, but it might have been part of a different set of fakes.
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Dancam1 Member
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posted August 16, 2013 04:22 PM
  
I am confused. 1. Who says the bend test doesn't work? It does. I had a beta mox Ruby and I'd demonstrate all the time. A real magic card bends just fine and goes back just as it was.. 2. I wasn't aware there were fake unlimited cards. I'd imagine they'd be hard to come by. 3. I have seen darker beta and unlimited and never questioned them as dark beta (never heard of that till now honestly). I just thought it was from new print stock or something. I just got an ancestral yesterday, unlimited, so, naturally hearing about a fake, now I am curious too...
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KIP_NZ Member
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posted August 17, 2013 12:59 PM

quote: Originally posted by Dancam1: I am confused. 1. Who says the bend test doesn't work? It does. I had a beta mox Ruby and I'd demonstrate all the time. A real magic card bends just fine and goes back just as it was..
I'd recommend not doing this any more to your Beta Mox, most MTG cards will fail after 12-20 bends and will crease like a rebacked card and your Ex mox goes directly to damaged, doesn't pass go and you collect -$500. __________________ Adrian Eternal Formats Rule Former DCI Level 2 Judge (Retired)
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thror Member
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posted August 17, 2013 01:00 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by KIP_NZ: I'd recommend not doing this any more to your Beta Mox, most MTG cards will fail after 12-20 bends and will crease like a rebacked card and your Ex mox goes directly to damaged, doesn't pass go and you collect -$500.
yea. STOP. BENDING. CARDS. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."<@Anusien> Pretty sure New Zealanders are the sheep shaggers <KIP_NZ> Anusien: I'm a kiwi and I've shagged a sheep <KIP_NZ> we kiwi's like our sheep
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Volcanon Member
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posted August 17, 2013 02:12 PM

quote: Originally posted by thror: yea. STOP. BENDING. CARDS.
Legit p9 that finally snap in half after many bend tests provide excellent fodder for Gunslinger ebay auctions, at least.
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Dancam1 Member
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posted August 17, 2013 04:59 PM
  
See, that is not true. I must have bent my beta mox Ruby at least 50 times (to demonstrate) and never once did it not come back to perfection. So, I don't know where this info comes from. All the halfs have to do is touch, you don't go further then that. Real beta is quite flexible.
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thror Member
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posted August 17, 2013 05:05 PM
  
Have you seen what happens when people riffle shuffle their cards? you are doing the same thing. even if you cant see it now, you are damaging the card stock. sooner or later, this damage will become visible. STOP.__________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."<@Anusien> Pretty sure New Zealanders are the sheep shaggers <KIP_NZ> Anusien: I'm a kiwi and I've shagged a sheep <KIP_NZ> we kiwi's like our sheep
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Dancam1 Member
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posted August 17, 2013 05:11 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by thror: Have you seen what happens when people riffle shuffle their cards? you are doing the same thing. even if you cant see it now, you are damaging the card stock. sooner or later, this damage will become visible. STOP.
I really don't see how this is true. Again, I folded that card so many times. Well over 50. You do know that you don't put a crease in the card, right? You just fold it so the edges touch. I should try it with a basic land today and see what happens.
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thror Member
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posted August 17, 2013 05:40 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Dancam1: I really don't see how this is true. Again, I folded that card so many times. Well over 50. You do know that you don't put a crease in the card, right? You just fold it so the edges touch. I should try it with a basic land today and see what happens.
and again, have you seen what happens when people riffle shuffle? they dont crease the card, and yet THIS http://sales.starcitygames.com/images/card_conditions/MP-1.jpg happens all the time. minor bending (or in the case of a bend test, MAJOR bending) causes damage. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."<@Anusien> Pretty sure New Zealanders are the sheep shaggers <KIP_NZ> Anusien: I'm a kiwi and I've shagged a sheep <KIP_NZ> we kiwi's like our sheep
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Dancam1 Member
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posted August 17, 2013 07:25 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by thror: and again, have you seen what happens when people riffle shuffle? they dont crease the card, and yet THIS http://sales.starcitygames.com/images/card_conditions/MP-1.jpg happens all the time. minor bending (or in the case of a bend test, MAJOR bending) causes damage.
Wow, someone is doing it wrong. But, truthfully, I'd never play with the power 9 unless they were beat up. I don't know what happened to that card, but, I can safely say that never happened to my card... And rifle shuffling is not at all like the bend test. In the bend test, you just curl the card lengthwise until the tips touch. Well, to each their own. I am not gonna argue, perhaps some have had that happen to their cards, but, all I can say, I have safely bent my cards for years and that never happened to any of them, but, the card I bent the most was the beta mox Ruby.
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