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ronnaldo
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posted September 11, 2013 08:37 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for ronnaldo Click Here to Email ronnaldo Send a private message to ronnaldo Click to send ronnaldo an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I have bought a few things on this website from individuals and am now looking to unload my collection. I understand that selling a whole collection entails a major hit in value. My collection, if sold for retail value, is around 25k in value in just cards. Could I realistically expect to get half of that in a collection sale? Obviously for a collection of this size i'm limited to those with pretty deep pockets.

Physical transfer of goods would be an issue as well...does anybody have any experience in these matters...i'm just beginning to explore this topic and any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

 
JayC
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posted September 11, 2013 08:39 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for JayC Click Here to Email JayC Send a private message to JayC Click to send JayC an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 

It really depends on the quality of cards. If your collection is full of quality cards, and the vast majority is say, $5 or more, then you will be able to get the majority of it's value, minus say 25%, maybe less if it's really nice.

The transfer of goods is hard at this value and should be handled with the utmost care and caution. Trust nothing and no one, including USPS / Paypal / Etc. Be sure you cross all your T's and dot all of your i's.

 
gaeacradle
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posted September 11, 2013 08:58 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for gaeacradle Click Here to Email gaeacradle Send a private message to gaeacradle Click to send gaeacradle an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View gaeacradle's Have/Want ListView gaeacradle's Have/Want List
It all depends on how fast you want to sell your collection. If you just want to sell it all at once, then 50% or more is doable, but only if the majority of your collection is easy-to-move staples. The less of these Tier 1 staples make up your collection, the lower percentage that you can get.

If you want to do a little bit of works, then I would suggest this to split your collection in 5 lots:
1) Easy-to-move higher priced items (fetches, duals, JTMS, etc...)
2) Easy-to-move lower priced items (shocks, Stoneforge Mystic, Spellskites, Etched Champion, Scapeshift, etc...)
3) Legacy big items that are played in a couple of decks (LED, Show and Tell, Sneak Attack, Intuition, etc...)
4) EDH/Casual favorites (Swords, Marrow Gnawer, etc...)
5) The rest

To move these lots quickly, I would price #1 and #2 5% to 10% lower than eBay completed, #3 10% to 15% lower than eBay completed, #4 20% to 25% lower than eBay completed, and #5 50% off or 10% above buy-list. And eBay completed is already 20% to 25% lower than retail.

But to warn you, this will take some work.

PS - I also PMed you.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by gaeacradle on September 11, 2013]

 
ronnaldo
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posted September 11, 2013 09:00 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for ronnaldo Click Here to Email ronnaldo Send a private message to ronnaldo Click to send ronnaldo an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the reply...I just made a spreadsheet that I could sort the values of my cards and keep a running total.

By the time the individual value of the cards in my collection drops below 5$ the value of the total collection is 16,068$

When individual card value drops below 1$ the total value is 21,452$

now i'm taking this all with a grain of salt since these are retail prices and I'm not a retailer but I guess this would be useful info for those wishing to buy

I guess the main thing i need to do is hit some local shops and see what they think. I'd like to find a buyer in a couple of months.

You mentioned not trusting paypal, USPS, etc...what are some red flags to look out for?

 
AGO
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posted September 11, 2013 09:07 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for AGO Click Here to Email AGO Send a private message to AGO Click to send AGO an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View AGO's Trade Auction or SaleView AGO's Trade Auction or Sale
In the amount of time you spend finding a buyer you could just list all of it and piece it out and make more money.
 
ronnaldo
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posted September 11, 2013 09:20 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for ronnaldo Click Here to Email ronnaldo Send a private message to ronnaldo Click to send ronnaldo an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by AGO:
In the amount of time you spend finding a buyer you could just list all of it and piece it out and make more money.

That is something I'm considering...I have only bought online and never sold...i'm sure there is a learning curve. I'm in the "explore my options phase". Just have to decide what my time is worth I guess :P

 
Volcanon
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posted September 11, 2013 10:19 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon Click Here to Email Volcanon Send a private message to Volcanon Click to send Volcanon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Why don't you post this list?

You say 'retail' but remember that retail is often much higher than what average joes can get for their stuff.

 
ronnaldo
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posted September 11, 2013 10:49 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for ronnaldo Click Here to Email ronnaldo Send a private message to ronnaldo Click to send ronnaldo an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
Why don't you post this list?

You say 'retail' but remember that retail is often much higher than what average joes can get for their stuff.


I started this thread to get some advice ... I figured I'll post over on the appropriate forum once I figure out what to ask for it....I definitely cannot expect to get anywhere close to retail value ... I only used it as a rough gauge of value

 
nderdog
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quote:
Originally posted by ronnaldo:
I started this thread to get some advice ... I figured I'll post over on the appropriate forum once I figure out what to ask for it....I definitely cannot expect to get anywhere close to retail value ... I only used it as a rough gauge of value

I think he's saying that we'd need to see some of the cards and what you're valuing them at as "retail" to know how far off the mark you may be. Half retail depending on what source you're using and what the cards are could be more than you could get selling individually, or it may be a reasonable buy value, there's just not enough information to make an educated guess other than that retail is far higher than you can expect to get.

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ronnaldo
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posted September 11, 2013 12:22 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for ronnaldo Click Here to Email ronnaldo Send a private message to ronnaldo Click to send ronnaldo an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Well the 25k is based on TCGplayer mid pricing.

Highlights in this collection include all the usuall legacy suspects ... Duals, FoW, Wastelands, Goyf, Jace TMS....and so on. Also lots of Commander and casual goodies.

Since I have posted here I've been contacted inquiring about it.

I guess my question now is how hard is it to establish yourself and sell from this site? I'm not an established seller and after I'm done selling this collection I probably won't be back. Will people buy from me if I have just started selling?

 
Aznopium
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if you are sending first, you should have no problem getting people to buy from you if you are cards are under eBay prices.
 
slurpee
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posted September 11, 2013 12:31 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for slurpee Click Here to Email slurpee Send a private message to slurpee Click to send slurpee an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View slurpee's Trade Auction or SaleView slurpee's Trade Auction or Sale
sure they will, you just will be sending first probably. Since you probably want to deal in larger orders, you may feel uncomfortable about this.

 
gaeacradle
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posted September 11, 2013 12:31 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for gaeacradle Click Here to Email gaeacradle Send a private message to gaeacradle Click to send gaeacradle an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View gaeacradle's Have/Want ListView gaeacradle's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by ronnaldo:
Well the 25k is based on TCGplayer mid pricing.

Highlights in this collection include all the usuall legacy suspects ... Duals, FoW, Wastelands, Goyf, Jace TMS....and so on. Also lots of Commander and casual goodies.

Since I have posted here I've been contacted inquiring about it.

I guess my question now is how hard is it to establish yourself and sell from this site? I'm not an established seller and after I'm done selling this collection I probably won't be back. Will people buy from me if I have just started selling?


Yes, but everyone will ask you to send first, especially given the situation with jessiemtg (you can read about that in the Bad Traders Forum). If you are uncomfortable with that, I would only sell to high-ref buyers, or if they are willing to pay for third-party costs. Once you have established yourself, then you can ask people to pay first.

 
Bagbokk
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50% of retail is an OK starting point if we're assuming SCG. I also think TCG-mid or something is somewhat similar to SCG pricing if we're looking at overall.

66-70% of retail = eBay is a fairly safe assumption (I've done some rough math on cards and, assuming the collection is diverse, this is a fair number) and then if you take another 20-30% off the resulting number for profits, it comes out to about 50% of the original retail value.

Obviously it will need to be adjusted a little depending on what is actually in there, but it is actually a very realistic number. Much better than someone coming here and asking for like 80% of SCG prices and assuming that it's a great price because it's less than retail.

But yes, to the original question: 50% of retail price is a realistic starting point, but you might need to ultimately adjust down a little from there.

 
ronnaldo
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posted September 11, 2013 01:22 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for ronnaldo Click Here to Email ronnaldo Send a private message to ronnaldo Click to send ronnaldo an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bagbokk:
50% of retail is an OK starting point if we're assuming SCG. I also think TCG-mid or something is somewhat similar to SCG pricing if we're looking at overall.

66-70% of retail = eBay is a fairly safe assumption (I've done some rough math on cards and, assuming the collection is diverse, this is a fair number) and then if you take another 20-30% off the resulting number for profits, it comes out to about 50% of the original retail value.

Obviously it will need to be adjusted a little depending on what is actually in there, but it is actually a very realistic number. Much better than someone coming here and asking for like 80% of SCG prices and assuming that it's a great price because it's less than retail.

But yes, to the original question: 50% of retail price is a realistic starting point, but you might need to ultimately adjust down a little from there.


Thanks for the helpful info. I just have one more question.

Where do you get info on completed Ebay listings...the MOTL price guide says that it comes from there...is that a pretty good resource?

Side note -- Don't you love capatalism, free markets, sellers and buyers coming together to exchange goods and currency

 
gaeacradle
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posted September 11, 2013 01:52 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for gaeacradle Click Here to Email gaeacradle Send a private message to gaeacradle Click to send gaeacradle an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View gaeacradle's Have/Want ListView gaeacradle's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by ronnaldo:
Thanks for the helpful info. I just have one more question.

Where do you get info on completed Ebay listings...the MOTL price guide says that it comes from there...is that a pretty good resource?

Side note -- Don't you love capatalism, free markets, sellers and buyers coming together to exchange goods and currency


Yes. Apathyhouse is also another decent source for cards that are more stable.

 

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