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jbark Member	posted September 12, 2013 05:36 PM Just a heads up there are some sweet 1/4 one card 3/4 of another card from FTV exiled miscuts on eBay. Dude wants $45+ for each one. Probably only one of a kind. Figured slinga or others would like to know. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mtg-Foil-Miscut-Lotus-Pe tal-FTV-Exiled-VHTF-/321206798523?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item4ac96ac8bb [Edited 1 times, lastly by jbark on September 12, 2013]
edsillars Member	posted September 12, 2013 05:45 PM FWIW, the seller pointed out in the item description that they are hand cut, not true miscuts. I doubt serious oddity collectors will touch these.
coolio Member	posted September 12, 2013 05:47 PM Eli has these all over the fb group.. not one of a kind.. someone cut a sheet up © __________________ Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong. -Christopher Hitchens Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -Seneca the Younger
jbark Member	posted September 12, 2013 05:49 PM Ah thanks for the insight. Anyway good for others to avoid then lol
Tha Gunslinga Moderator	posted September 13, 2013 05:24 AM Hand-cut. He should be embarrassed to sell fakes.
AGO Member	posted September 13, 2013 05:29 AM quote: Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga: Hand-cut. He should be embarrassed to sell fakes. Hard to see the embarrassment over the fat stacks of cash!
stab107 Member	posted September 13, 2013 05:43 AM There are likely only a handful of these sheets in existence. It is sad that someone would want to cut it up and sell it as a "miscut" .
jbark Member	posted September 13, 2013 08:56 AM I looked closely at the pics and the corners look so bad. Its almost like he damaged the sheet and said "hey I have an idea" and then made it all worse.
Pail42 Member	posted September 13, 2013 09:20 AM quote: Originally posted by stab107: There are likely only a handful of these sheets in existence. It is sad that someone would want to cut it up and sell it as a "miscut" . It seems to me it would worth more as the whole sheet? I've seen lots of miscuts for sale on ebay but never a whole sheet ... maybe I'm just not looking hard enough
JayC Member	posted September 13, 2013 09:22 AM This was a really dumb idea...
Volcanon Member	posted September 13, 2013 12:48 PM quote: Originally posted by JayC: This was a really dumb idea... The "miscuts" are worth more cut up. Though, he should have cut them up at least in an interesting way. It's stupid the way he did it with names on the bottom. He should have been creative. Diagonal cuts. four-on-one cuts. Huge thick cut including the white border of the sheet. Etc.
walkerdog Member	posted September 13, 2013 12:55 PM quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: The "miscuts" are worth more cut up. Though, he should have cut them up at least in an interesting way. It's stupid the way he did it with names on the bottom. He should have been creative. Diagonal cuts. four-on-one cuts. Huge thick cut including the white border of the sheet. Etc. Well, you need your cuts to not be wasting huge chunks of card right? Like, you ideally get the most cards out of the sheet by not going too random. __________________ Originally posted by rats60: It's easy to run your month, but when it's time to back it up, no one's there.
Tha Gunslinga Moderator	posted September 13, 2013 02:34 PM quote: Originally posted by AGO: Hard to see the embarrassment over the fat stacks of cash! Reputation is priceless. And honestly, whatever he gets will not really be worth it considering how much the sheet is worth, how much time it takes to sell the pieces, and how much hassle he goes through. Stuff like this disgusts me.
Timmyhill Member	posted September 13, 2013 03:01 PM This is a little off topic but is buying from people on that facebook page monitored at all? On motl we have refs and bad sellers/traders get banned. Is there anything like this for the facebook page?
JayC Member	posted September 14, 2013 12:58 PM quote: Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga: Reputation is priceless. And honestly, whatever he gets will not really be worth it considering how much the sheet is worth, how much time it takes to sell the pieces, and how much hassle he goes through. Stuff like this disgusts me. And, I would like to ask you - doesn't this ruin the idea of natural miscuts for you as a collector? I mean, who the hell wants a manufactured miscut? It's just 'not the same' in my opinion. It's almost like a proxy to me.
Tha Gunslinga Moderator	posted September 14, 2013 02:00 PM That's another reason why I hate stuff like this.
stab107 Member	posted September 14, 2013 03:17 PM quote: Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga: That's another reason why I hate stuff like this. +1, well put JayC.
Pail42 Member	posted September 14, 2013 07:42 PM quote: Originally posted by JayC: And, I would like to ask you - doesn't this ruin the idea of natural miscuts for you as a collector? I mean, who the hell wants a manufactured miscut? It's just 'not the same' in my opinion. It's almost like a proxy to me. It must suck for miscut collectors. I consider these in same category as counterfeit - a person has created unauthorized cards. After the initial sale of these never expect them to be accurately represented when they are up for sale.
AGO Member	posted September 15, 2013 11:40 AM quote: Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga: Reputation is priceless. And honestly, whatever he gets will not really be worth it considering how much the sheet is worth, how much time it takes to sell the pieces, and how much hassle he goes through. Stuff like this disgusts me. 100% true. Makes me question if collecting miscuts is worth it. The desire to have the most badass miscuts outweighs whatever the sheet was worth. You can't really trust any miscut from this point on.
Tha Gunslinga Moderator	posted September 15, 2013 11:57 AM quote: Originally posted by AGO: 100% true. Makes me question if collecting miscuts is worth it. The desire to have the most badass miscuts outweighs whatever the sheet was worth. You can't really trust any miscut from this point on. The fakes are incredibly obvious. I know what's been cut up and what has not. __________________ Don't send or pay first to Canadian low-ref newer members.
JoshSherman Member	posted September 15, 2013 09:38 PM I think your sig shouldn't single out Canadians like that. While it's been a couple Canadians recently, it is historically not the case that Canadians are the only low ref rippers. We should avoid all of them, right? Also, a little more on topic, I've never been terribly interested in miscuts, but it seems super dumb to cut up an uncut sheet for any reason. Hell, why not cut it up diagonally if you're going to make your own miscuts? __________________ My LJLetter Bombs!FBLogout- MM is a copycat! (So am I)*CKGB
twol84 Member	posted September 16, 2013 08:25 PM These fakes are obvious but not all counterfeit miscuts are, depending an access to equipment and financial motivation. I raised the point on accurate future representation on the fb page but I don't think the folk there took too kindly to me.
twol84 Member	posted September 16, 2013 08:27 PM These fakes are obvious but not all counterfeit miscuts are, depending an access to equipment and financial motivation. I raised the point on accurate future representation on the fb page but I don't think the folk there took too kindly to me.
WeedIan Member	posted September 17, 2013 07:42 AM Its one of those things, you think you can make a quick extra buck so you do this. Eventually after a bunch of years they might just be "miscuts" and not obvious cuts from a sheet. __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 12000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario and Canada 9th in posts on MOTL 5th in Refs in Ontario Pushing to get to top 100 in MOTL Refs
AGO Member	posted September 17, 2013 07:56 AM Those fakes are obvious to you, but there is a sucker born every minute. After these switch hands people aren't going to label these as cut from a sheet.

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