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Topic: Is Purphoros the real thing in Standard?
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JayC
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posted September 27, 2013 03:14 PM
      
I don't know Standard, don't want to know standard, but I do care about money. Is there any consensus on this card? Is it the real thing? I was pretty damn surprised by the price tag I'm seeing... thoughts?
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jbark
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posted September 27, 2013 03:47 PM
 
Mono red looks really good and will only get better with 2 more sets and dudes they print. He works well with BTE and ash zealot among others.
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thror
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posted September 27, 2013 04:06 PM
i have no idea how he 'works well' with ash zealot, but he's insane with young pyromancer and his hammer. and you should be playing them all in your red deck.__________________
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jbark
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posted September 27, 2013 04:36 PM
2/2 haste with 2 devotion seems good with him plus he is a dude which triggers his ability seems like he plays nice. And young pyro is good with all the burn. And triggering the god.
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daner
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posted September 28, 2013 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by jbark:
2/2 haste with 2 devotion seems good with him plus he is a dude which triggers his ability seems like he plays nice.
2/2 ONLY HAS HASTE IF RED GOD IN PLAY.(pointing towards your BTE comment) I think people forget that, BTE isn't just a 2/2 haste. Yea, Ash Zealot is, but Ash Zealot barely saw play in the last standard. If you get past turn 4, and your only hope is to draw 2/2's off the top....you're probably losing.
Every color has some sort of gain life/sustain card against Mono-Red or R/G aggro.
No longer do you have to turn 4 wrath, bc now you have a turn 3 board sweeper in non-aggro red decks.
Red decks lost a LOT. I know it's just simple things like Hellrider and Lightning Mauler....but that's a BIG loss. You could say you also lost Thundermaw Hellkite, but got a semi-replacement in Stormbreath Dragon....but a 5/5 is an entire turn slower than a 4/4. That makes a world of difference.
I'm not saying that Red based aggro is dead...I just think it's a giant trap. You lost the single most important card, Hellrider. Do I expect to see some Red aggro decks make top 8 in the first SCG? Yes, but I would bet you that a non-based red deck....whether it be Junk, U/W control, U/W/r control, G/W aggro or the Rock comes out on top. G/W, Junk and U/W control look too damn sexy for me to be playing Mono-Red or G/R aggro.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by daner on September 28, 2013]
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chaos021
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posted September 28, 2013 05:08 AM
Amen. I just wish I had some Purphuros to sell.
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Demilio
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posted September 28, 2013 05:11 AM
I think he'd be just fine in a R/G Domri rade style deck.
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Sovarius
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posted September 28, 2013 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by daner:
2/2 ONLY HAS HASTE IF RED GOD IN PLAY.(pointing towards your BTE comment)
He was talking about Zealot. How does BTE even have haste with Purphuros in play?
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Pail42
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posted September 28, 2013 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by Sovarius:
He was talking about Zealot. How does BTE even have haste with Purphuros in play?
Probably mixing up the hammer and the god.
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Myy
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posted September 29, 2013 09:12 AM
what is BTE?
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gaeacradle
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posted September 29, 2013 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by Myy:
what is BTE?
Burning-Tree Emissary
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ectomanic
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posted September 29, 2013 05:45 PM
I don't think he's all that good in rdw or an aggro build. At best your playing a 6/5 on turn 4 that does nothing else for your board state that turn. I feel his place is in a control build grixis or b/r I think fit him best.
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WeedIan
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posted September 29, 2013 06:42 PM
His hammer looks like a real thing__________________
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hilikuS
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posted September 30, 2013 07:18 AM
I really like Purphoros with Elspeth and Assemble the Legion. Was thinking of trying a Naya build that sports, BTE, Elspeth, Xenagos, Assemble and some other things.It's like a billion dollars to build at the moment though, but some of the plays seem pretty cool with Purphoros in play. +1 Elspeth for 6 to the dome and 3 guys, you get the idea. I feel like I can turn him on pretty easy with BTEs and Reckoners.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by hilikuS on September 30, 2013]
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jbark
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posted September 30, 2013 07:32 AM
So from the SCG open we see thoughtseize not main deck (wonder how often it was boarded in) No red god (or any god)
1 whip in black controls
Jace AOT is everywhere
Elspeth was played
3 color possible (temples all over in mid range and control and guild gates)
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keywacat
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posted October 01, 2013 12:48 AM
On a related note do you lot that monitor standard see any R/G decks shaping up? Xenagos has dropped down to 13 euro on MCM.eu and I wonder if I should go ahead and get one now or wait a bit for further price decreases. I want one for my R/G Thromok EDH deck and know that standard sets the price I have to pay.Cheers;
keywacat
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caquaa
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posted October 01, 2013 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by hilikuS:
I really like Purphoros with Elspeth and Assemble the Legion
the large issue is that if you stick an elspeth or an assemble the legion, you don't need the red god. Beyond that, its just a 4 drop that does nothing. Chandra is much better suited in that slot of a deck. Assemble and elspeth are slower controlling cards so you'd likely just be running R/W/B or W/R/U if you're playing those cards in the same deck. A W/R/B deck list has been making the rounds that included 1 assemble and 1 elspeth yet surprisingly no purphoros!
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chaos021
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posted October 01, 2013 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by keywacat:
On a related note do you lot that monitor standard see any R/G decks shaping up? Xenagos has dropped down to 13 euro on MCM.eu and I wonder if I should go ahead and get one now or wait a bit for further price decreases. I want one for my R/G Thromok EDH deck and know that standard sets the price I have to pay.Cheers;
keywacat
I think it's value will drop, but that doesn't mean it's price will follow the same trend or as quickly.
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hilikuS
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posted October 01, 2013 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by caquaa:
the large issue is that if you stick an elspeth or an assemble the legion, you don't need the red god. Beyond that, its just a 4 drop that does nothing. Chandra is much better suited in that slot of a deck. Assemble and elspeth are slower controlling cards so you'd likely just be running R/W/B or W/R/U if you're playing those cards in the same deck. A W/R/B deck list has been making the rounds that included 1 assemble and 1 elspeth yet surprisingly no purphoros!
I figured trying to get the most of that ETB ability was just too juicy to pass up. Plus it turns any of my non-land draws into burn. Xenagos is 2 damage + 2 hastey attack, Elspeth is 6, and I have a decent chance to turn him into a creature with Recks and BTE. Probably win more, but at that point I want to end the game as soon as possible.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by hilikuS on October 01, 2013]
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