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mm1983
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quote:
Originally posted by kwas:

More than anzmything, blame EDH.

I find myself more and more picking up "bad rares" at $2 or less each because they have a great use for EDH.

 
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Originally posted by mm1983:
I find myself more and more picking up "bad rares" at $2 or less each because they have a great use for EDH.

After iteration after iteration of me trading off a card only to want it in a later EDH deck I've taken to hoarding one copy of anything remotely interesting to me. It's to the point that whenever I make a buy on MCM.EU I always look over the random foils the seller has listed for cheap cards with play potential.

Like Zephyr Spirit. Turns out it works quite well in a 'budget' Simic evolve deck...

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I shouldn't need a disclaimer but I'm going to put one out there..... I am in no way affiliated with SCG aside from being a very happy repeat customer.

This is how you treat your customers, this is the gold standard that *every* other TO should be aiming for:

quote:

http://www.starcitygames.com/article/28025_Countdown-to-Grand-Prix-Richmond-ndash-3-Days-Out-Capping-Attendance-at-5000-Guaranteed-Rewards.html

Eternal Witness Playmat: All preregistered VIP players, plus the first 3,600 players who preregister for the main event will receive Eternal Witness playmats on-site. However, Ultra Pro is unable to get us additional playmats in time, so all remaining Grand Prix Richmond main event participants will be shipped an Eternal Witness playmat, entirely at StarCityGames.com's expense, in the weeks following the event.

This is the why SCG is the market leader and everyone else is consistently playing catch up. They put the customer first! Sure their prices are higher than the others but they return that in 110% customer satisfaction and experience.

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Originally posted by PhillyCheeseSteak:
chaos021 is correct, as I am a member on this website I am aware I can obtain cards for much less.....simply that SCG is absurd with how they arbitrarily raise prices......often for no reason. But as I said, this has all been said before. It's just a little frustrating because this recent increase in Wasteland price comes perfectly when I was looking to obtain them to finish off my deck.

I do get the frustration, and I do think it can be unhealthy for what is becoming a big company (I mean, small by most standards, but big by "MTG" standards) to have the ability to buy out anything they feel is overpriced, but at the same time...

it's not arbitrary - the demand is there, whether you feel (like I do) that you'd be insane to buy from them for anything other than pre-ordering the occasionally low-priced item.

 
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Originally posted by KIP_NZ:
I shouldn't need a disclaimer but I'm going to put one out there..... I am in no way affiliated with SCG aside from being a very happy repeat customer.

This is how you treat your customers, this is the gold standard that *every* other TO should be aiming for:
This is the why SCG is the market leader and everyone else is consistently playing catch up. They put the customer first! Sure their prices are higher than the others but they return that in 110% customer satisfaction and experience.


And this helps 100% - it, along with the free articles (and paid, to some extent) and tournament series is why they can get these prices. They take great care of you, and have you buying into the "SCG lifestyle," so to speak. You're paying a premium much like people do for first-class seats on a plane, to go to a nice strip club, to go to an expensive steakhouse that may (or may not) have superior meat/preparation, but the experience is there.

 
Zeckk
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quote:
Originally posted by KIP_NZ:
I shouldn't need a disclaimer but I'm going to put one out there..... I am in no way affiliated with SCG aside from being a very happy repeat customer.

This is how you treat your customers, this is the gold standard that *every* other TO should be aiming for:
This is the why SCG is the market leader and everyone else is consistently playing catch up. They put the customer first! Sure their prices are higher than the others but they return that in 110% customer satisfaction and experience.


This was a learning lesson from the Vegas GP. Tons of magic nerds extremely ****ed to be waiting in a pre-registration line for hours before the start of the event, only to learn that the TO had run out of mats literally an hour into the start of the day. So pre-registering (without the VIP option) meant literally nothing. You better believe SCG heard about that one...

 
walkerdog
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Originally posted by Zeckk:
This was a learning lesson from the Vegas GP. Tons of magic nerds extremely ****ed to be waiting in a pre-registration line for hours before the start of the event, only to learn that the TO had run out of mats literally an hour into the start of the day. So pre-registering (without the VIP option) meant literally nothing. You better believe SCG heard about that one...

SCG didn't run Vegas, did they? Unless you mean they "heard about that one" in a non-blaming way, more the rage people had at Cascade games for how it was done?

 
Dimh
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I hope other TO's start running events like this. It is a very positive change for the players. Hopefully 5,000 players will start being the norm, and we can really start pushing Magic as a premier event.

Next we need to work on the streaming, there is no reason Grand Prix's (and especially PT's) should not be getting 20k+ viewers at any given time.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Dimh:
Next we need to work on the streaming, there is no reason Grand Prix's (and especially PT's) should not be getting 20k+ viewers at any given time.

Are you saying that TO's need improve the infrastructure to make that possible or that more magic players should be "tuning-in"?

 
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so, looking over bens update of the gp from yesterdays post... i wanted to highlight a few key notes

the faq is very helpful for newer tournament players.
the tpf and md5 sealed events.. due to glitch in software, the event was sold beyond capacity.. they rectified this by acquiring more product to satisfy those players

this is yhe pinnacle of customer service..on top of the decision to order more playmats so everyone can get one (just if you are 3501-5000), theyll eat the cost of mailing you your mat

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quote:
Originally posted by coolio:
so, looking over bens update of the gp from yesterdays post... i wanted to highlight a few key notes

the faq is very helpful for newer tournament players.
the tpf and md5 sealed events.. due to glitch in software, the event was sold beyond capacity.. they rectified this by acquiring more product to satisfy those players

this is yhe pinnacle of customer service..on top of the decision to order more playmats so everyone can get one (just if you are 3501-5000), theyll eat the cost of mailing you your mat


Funny on how people hate scg for great customer service and running a tournament series that has made magic larger than ever. You don't hear anyone hating on the guys who go online and buy out all of a card and the prices goes out of control.

 
Dimh
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Originally posted by Pail42:
Are you saying that TO's need improve the infrastructure to make that possible or that more magic players should be "tuning-in"?

More like the stream needs to be more mainstream accessible.

This would have little to nothing to do with TO's themselves, just something that Wizards needs to work on. There are so many Magic players out there, but such a small amount actually watch coverage. This needs to be fixed.

edit> a Hearthstone player doing an every day stream should not be getting more viewers than Wizards marquee events. I wish I had the answers (maybe Magic is just that boring to watch?), but it kind of upsets me that Wizards has been broadcasting PT's for a VERY long time (like since 1997...), so the fact that they are so behind other eSports is really dissapointing.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Dimh on March 07, 2014]

 
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Originally posted by Animosity:
Funny on how people hate scg for great customer service and running a tournament series that has made magic larger than ever. You don't hear anyone hating on the guys who go online and buy out all of a card and the prices goes out of control.


People hate on that guy too, but it's easier to picture being him than being SCG.

 
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Originally posted by Dimh:
More like the stream needs to be more mainstream accessible.

This would have little to nothing to do with TO's themselves, just something that Wizards needs to work on. There are so many Magic players out there, but such a small amount actually watch coverage. This needs to be fixed.

edit> a Hearthstone player doing an every day stream should not be getting more viewers than Wizards marquee events. I wish I had the answers (maybe Magic is just that boring to watch?), but it kind of upsets me that Wizards has been broadcasting PT's for a VERY long time (like since 1997...), so the fact that they are so behind other eSports is really dissapointing.


I personally find it difficult to watch coverage or streaming of magic games. It's impossible to read and see what is in play, and what cards are in each players' hands. Unless you have a general idea of the popular cards in the format and what the art looks like, you will have a hard time knowing what's going on.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dimh:
More like the stream needs to be more mainstream accessible.

This would have little to nothing to do with TO's themselves, just something that Wizards needs to work on. There are so many Magic players out there, but such a small amount actually watch coverage. This needs to be fixed.

edit> a Hearthstone player doing an every day stream should not be getting more viewers than Wizards marquee events. I wish I had the answers (maybe Magic is just that boring to watch?), but it kind of upsets me that Wizards has been broadcasting PT's for a VERY long time (like since 1997...), so the fact that they are so behind other eSports is really dissapointing.


Comparing to Hearthstone is misguided. Hearthstone is drawing on MTG-similar folks, but it's also drawing on the hugeeeee WoW audience. It's a Blizzard product.

Now, if, say, Lego Chima came out, and it was drawing 20k, I'd wonder why MTG was so bad at this, but it's not like every name-branded game is getting huge draws.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
I personally find it difficult to watch coverage or streaming of magic games. It's impossible to read and see what is in play, and what cards are in each players' hands. Unless you have a general idea of the popular cards in the format and what the art looks like, you will have a hard time knowing what's going on.

I agree with all of this. I don't like streaming games, but the few occasions I have watched MTG replays it was very difficult to tell what was going on.

 
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just checking in...
 
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quote:
Originally posted by yodadoc1234:
just checking in...

wish you'd just go away...

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Seems like Yoda is a 13 year old internet troll.
 
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Originally posted by jbark:
Seems like Yoda is a 13 year old internet troll.

2nd (or maybe 3rd) coming of speed demon?

 
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I hate SCG as much as the next guy, but seriously if you hate SCG don't buy from/sell to SCG. This game is a luxury, it's not rent/utilities/food. We'd all survive without it. I'm sorry prices are super high. If you'd like to cap price of a format/event play sealed. If you have some extra money and want to do some educated gambling, speculate. If you want to play constructed formats, buy the cards (or borrow).

You know stuff like this has gone on for too long when people like myself are actually defending SCG...

 
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quote:
Originally posted by paragondave:
2nd (or maybe 3rd) coming of speed demon?

He IS a Speed Demon.

Maybe it's time to resurrect that nonclementure?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Dimh:
There are so many Magic players out there, but such a small amount actually watch coverage. This needs to be fixed.

Why would I ever want to spend time watching a pair of nerds laying cards on a table when I could go to the pub and do it myself?

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i'll admit i was trolling there. Cant you take a joke? MAn everyone seems so uptight.
 
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Originally posted by yodadoc1234:
i'll admit i was trolling there. Cant you take a joke? MAn everyone seems so uptight.

lol, trust me, it's you, not them.

 

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