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PhillyCheeseSteak Member	posted January 30, 2014 05:11 PM I know, I know, it's been said before and will be again but... Argh!!!! Just trying to get back into Legacy after a few years hiatus, picked up a few things, looked at prices again and..........WTF Starcity? $100 f'n wasteland??? Are you kidding me????? And because they do what they want and affect everyone else because of it........I have no option but to pay an exorbitant price! ARGH!!!! Sorry, sorry, just ranting.......sigh
jbark Member	posted January 30, 2014 05:46 PM You could play basic lands...
chaos021 Member	posted January 30, 2014 05:51 PM quote: Originally posted by jbark: You could play basic lands... Brought tears to my eyes. __________________ "Message to women worldwide: Girls....we're stupid. We don't like games. We don't know games. We can't read minds. Say it like you mean or STFU." -rockondon My Sale Thread
LandDestroyer Member	posted January 30, 2014 06:26 PM quote: Originally posted by PhillyCheeseSteak: I know, I know, it's been said before and will be again but... Argh!!!! Just trying to get back into Legacy after a few years hiatus, picked up a few things, looked at prices again and..........WTF Starcity? $100 f'n wasteland??? Are you kidding me????? And because they do what they want and affect everyone else because of it........I have no option but to pay an exorbitant price! ARGH!!!! Sorry, sorry, just ranting.......sigh Yesterday morning they raised prices on legacy staples by around 20% :-/
oneofchaos Member	posted January 30, 2014 07:06 PM quote: Originally posted by PhillyCheeseSteak: I know, I know, it's been said before and will be again but... Argh!!!! Just trying to get back into Legacy after a few years hiatus, picked up a few things, looked at prices again and..........WTF Starcity? $100 f'n wasteland??? Are you kidding me????? And because they do what they want and affect everyone else because of it........I have no option but to pay an exorbitant price! ARGH!!!! Sorry, sorry, just ranting.......sigh I think you are just upset they are out of stock and couldn't buy in at 100 :P
paris Member	posted January 30, 2014 10:51 PM Why do you have to pay SCG prices for it? There are plenty of other online magic card retailers. For example, abugames.com has customer service and card quality just as good (if not better) than SCG, and they still have 4 NM-M Wastelands for $83.99 each, 12 PLD-SPLD Wastelands for $62.99 each, PSA 9 Wasteland for $93.99, BGS 9 Wasteland for $93.99, and BGS 9.5 Wasteland for $98.99 right now.
chaos021 Member	posted January 30, 2014 11:04 PM quote: Originally posted by paris: Why do you have to pay SCG prices for it? There are plenty of other online magic card retailers. For example, abugames.com has customer service and card quality just as good (if not better) than SCG, and they still have 4 NM-M Wastelands for $83.99 each, 12 PLD-SPLD Wastelands for $62.99 each, PSA 9 Wasteland for $93.99, BGS 9 Wasteland for $93.99, and BGS 9.5 Wasteland for $98.99 right now. I could be wrong, but I think he's complaining about prices going up in general. When he last played, Wasteland might have been $40. I don't know this is the case, but that's what I assumed. __________________ "Message to women worldwide: Girls....we're stupid. We don't like games. We don't know games. We can't read minds. Say it like you mean or STFU." -rockondon My Sale Thread
PhillyCheeseSteak Member	posted January 30, 2014 11:25 PM chaos021 is correct, as I am a member on this website I am aware I can obtain cards for much less.....simply that SCG is absurd with how they arbitrarily raise prices......often for no reason. But as I said, this has all been said before. It's just a little frustrating because this recent increase in Wasteland price comes perfectly when I was looking to obtain them to finish off my deck.
mm1983 Member	posted January 31, 2014 04:31 AM Star City prices are usually too high which is why I won't buy from them but I figure that a cards real value is 75% of what Star City asks for a card. If they want $100 on Wasteland then realisic value is probably around $75-80 for NM.
nylarotep Member	posted January 31, 2014 06:10 AM $250 for Underground Sea on there as well
Demilio Member	posted January 31, 2014 06:18 AM quote: Originally posted by PhillyCheeseSteak: I know, I know, it's been said before and will be again but... Argh!!!! Just trying to get back into Legacy after a few years hiatus, picked up a few things, looked at prices again and..........WTF Starcity? $100 f'n wasteland??? Are you kidding me????? And because they do what they want and affect everyone else because of it........I have no option but to pay an exorbitant price! ARGH!!!! Sorry, sorry, just ranting.......sigh I think it's cool that they are pushing people toward Modern inadvertently. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Demilio on January 31, 2014]
shade2k1 Member	posted January 31, 2014 06:43 AM I love Legacy and have been considering buying in again, even at the current prices, but I can't help but feel like this is the 90's comic boom/crash all over again. __________________ There is a difference between you and me. We both looked into the abyss. But when it looked back at us...you blinked.
Zakman86 Member	posted January 31, 2014 07:40 AM quote: Originally posted by shade2k1: I love Legacy and have been considering buying in again, even at the current prices, but I can't help but feel like this is the 90's comic boom/crash all over again. Not really. This is purely supply/demand. SCG had to raise their buyprices on a lot of Legacy stuff so they could keep it in stock. As a result, sell prices went up.
flophaus Member	posted January 31, 2014 08:13 AM My (quite younger) cousin posted on FB yesterday that he was thinking of transitioning into Legacy. I just laughed at him. He just started playing MTG and he thinks he's just gonna waltz right into a tier-1 Legacy deck the way he tries to with Standard. Ahh, kids. As for the increase in Legacy staples... It sucks, but because I just play casually it matters not, proxies FTW. I mean, if I just wanna play some friendly games of chess and I don't have a chessboard, I can just make one and enjoy it just the same. [Edited 1 times, lastly by flophaus on January 31, 2014]
Sovarius Member	posted January 31, 2014 08:14 AM People buy from scg? That's sad
coolio Member	posted January 31, 2014 08:15 AM quote: Originally posted by PhillyCheeseSteak: simply that SCG is absurd with how they arbitrarily raise prices......often for no reason. But as I said, this has all been said before. It's just a little frustrating because this recent increase in Wasteland price comes perfectly when I was looking to obtain them to finish off my deck. given i know the buyers and a good deal of the ppl who work there.. let me just tell you this.. no, they dont "arbitrarily raise prices.. often for no reason" when they cant buy cards from people constantly at a given price, they notice a trend, and in accordance to that, they have to raise their buyside numbers to restock, and as a result of raising the buyside, naturally, the sell side has to go up. simple economics dictate the price changes. you assume, w/o knowing the underlying basic understanding of economics, that they are raising prices just for the fun of it. as far as i'm aware, none of the price spikes recently out of them were "just cus we felt like it" © edit: quote: Originally posted by Sovarius: People buy from scg? That's sad yes, it's really not that bad when you prize, and take your prize as credit (with the 25% bonus) and essentially it's on par with paying ebay numbers when you consider your actual cash money paid. nevermind the customer service, and buying the SP/MP stuff often means you're paying under ebay after you convert for it, and you know you're getting good service, and delivery to the tournament you need the cards for, I dont get why it's so shocking to people that scg is so successful. __________________ Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong. -Christopher Hitchens Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -Seneca the Younger [Edited 1 times, lastly by coolio on January 31, 2014]
PhillyCheeseSteak Member	posted January 31, 2014 08:36 AM First, I understand economic theory and principles so don't be a patronizing a**. Secondly, if you think that SCG only raises prices based on honest business practices then you are either delusional or oblivious. They know they control the value of cards and can, and do, whatever they want in accordance with that, within reason of course. And the prices on SCG are really that bad. Look here or on most other websites and we can easily determine that their values aren't good. If you want to defend SCG for some unknown reason then by all means go ahead but I don't think you will find many supporters. Lastly, I was just ranting, it was 25% serious, 75% just a random rant about a player trying to get back into legacy.
I3Iood Member	posted January 31, 2014 09:01 AM quote: Originally posted by PhillyCheeseSteak: Look here ... and we can easily determine that their values aren't good. I did not know people on here had to pay hosting fees, insurance fees, domain name fees, employee fees, insurance fees, unemployment fees, building fees ect... Comparing prices on here from some backpack kid and a legit business corporation is laughable.
gaeacradle Member	posted January 31, 2014 09:02 AM quote: Originally posted by PhillyCheeseSteak: delusional post You are the one being delusional here. But I will leave it to Morgan to respond to you.
hilikuS Member	posted January 31, 2014 10:04 AM quote: Originally posted by PhillyCheeseSteak: They know they control the value of cards and can, and do, whatever they want in accordance with that I would severely doubt this is true. Unless they're also selling computers that can only download a web browser that goes to only their website, there are literally hundreds of other sellers. They have the largest stock out there, no question, but do you really think they have the majority of it? I feel like that's what it would take in order to actually dictate the price of things. You're arguing with a guy who deals with them constantly about what you think is true. He's telling you from experience. Furthermore, even if what you say is true, they do it because it works. All power to them at that point. If you aren't a fan, you can clearly shop elsewhere. You can't deny that while their prices may be high, they've created something huge, and very successful. [Edited 3 times, lastly by hilikuS on January 31, 2014]
OGB Member	posted January 31, 2014 10:24 AM quote: Originally posted by gaeacradle: You are the one being delusional here. But I will leave it to Morgan to respond to you. I can't wait for his response! __________________ 2010 Homer Simpson Award Winner http://www.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/016901.html
AGO Member	posted January 31, 2014 10:44 AM There is a guy in China selling Wastelands dirt cheap but you got to buy 500 of them.
oneofchaos Member	posted January 31, 2014 02:47 PM quote: Originally posted by AGO: There is a guy in China selling Wastelands dirt cheap but you got to buy 500 of them. Now what would be really dirty is if somebody bought a ton and SCG wound up acquiring them from an event due to negligence on the part of their buyers. If that information went public, that the world's largest singles supplier also bought fake cards the world would burn.
gaeacradle Member	posted January 31, 2014 02:56 PM quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: Now what would be really dirty is if somebody bought a ton and SCG wound up acquiring them from an event due to negligence on the part of their buyers. If that information went public, that the world's largest singles supplier also bought fake cards the world would burn. And then you bring down the entire secondary market, because if the most trusted entity can't be trusted anymore, then the overall confidence level will crash and you should know what happens next.
oneofchaos Member	posted January 31, 2014 06:40 PM quote: Originally posted by gaeacradle: And then you bring down the entire secondary market, because if the most trusted entity can't be trusted anymore, then the overall confidence level will crash and you should know what happens next. That was my point. All these companies need to be careful at cons because if word got out one did it, damage could be widespread.

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