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Topic: Waivers
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Vegas10 Member
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posted March 13, 2014 04:44 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by chaos021: It doesn't count, and it shouldn't IMO. It's not extremely consistent in when they update or if they do it at all. I mean this strictly in regards to international mail between the US and Canada. That doesn't get into the issues with looking at other international mail.
Agree, The issue arises because once it leaves the US it goes to that countries Postal system which has it's own system and methods of things and the USPS numbers mean nothing to that Postal service and their software has it's own system just like USPS has their own and they generally arn't compatable.
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ryanghall Member
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posted March 13, 2014 09:56 AM
  
While $6 tracked shipping is certainly an improvement, PWE shipping can be done for $5 less. It comes down, on a $50 deal, to whether that card will not show up 1/10 times. If you're selling to someone reputable, it will essentially show up 999/1000 times, therefore spending the $5 extra is still an enormous waste unless the buyer is the worrying type.
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slurpee Member
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posted March 13, 2014 10:19 AM

I have always held the belief I will ship however you want to pay. I don't make money on my shipping, in fact I have always lost money in the long run when you take into account shipping supplies.You want to come pick up the cards, come and pick them up, I am not about to drive to benefit you, that's what the mail system is for... You want to only pay for PWE, well thats fine you are aware what can happen to card...no one is naive in they can get chewed up...also everyone knows you don't get tracking on PWE. You wanted padded that's fine, I have never had one of these eaten by a machine. For international, again you know that you are not get tracking...so be honest with yourself... Delivery confirmation, I have never had one package go missing that wasn't my own fault of not attaching a label properly. Registered, these still go missing. For the simple fact that people will declare the true value of an item. You put $500 on a padded envelope, I give it 50/50 that it arrives. It's one thing if I charge you 10.00 for shipping and then I ship it some cheaper method then you asked for, sure that's on me. It's another when you pay 1.00 and expect to get tracking. Why would a seller want that exposure. The seller may be the only one who can purchase the shipping and it their responsibility to make sure it is shipped according to the buyers request. To me it should be a given that if PWE is requested it is automatic that the buyer waives damages and lost mail. You don't purchase registered mail, it should be a given you are waiving that responsibility. To be honest, most people who are buying $500.00 or more in cards, they know how the mail system works...and if you have been a member for over a couple of months...you do to. If you have some form of OCD and want tracking pay for it...don't play dumb, don't blame it on others when it doesn't show... If You don't trust somebody...WHY ARE BUYING CARDS FROM THEM TO BEGIN WITH??? There is a reason there is a ref checker on here. Yes there are new members on here, they should build feedback just like one on ebay would before they start selling.
TO SUMMARIZE PAY FOR HOW YOU WANT YOUR CARDS SHIPPED, OR SIGN THE DAMN WAIVER...really it's that simple
[Edited 2 times, lastly by slurpee on March 13, 2014]
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rats60 Member
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posted March 13, 2014 11:12 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by ryanghall: While $6 tracked shipping is certainly an improvement, PWE shipping can be done for $5 less. It comes down, on a $50 deal, to whether that card will not show up 1/10 times. If you're selling to someone reputable, it will essentially show up 999/1000 times, therefore spending the $5 extra is still an enormous waste unless the buyer is the worrying type.
If it shows up 999/1000 times, then why won't you give a wavier? The choice is yours, pay for proper shipping or if you want to save on shipping, accept that one in a thousand times you won't get your card. In the long run, you are still coming out ahead.
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rats60 Member
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posted March 13, 2014 11:15 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by ryanghall: While $6 tracked shipping is certainly an improvement, PWE shipping can be done for $5 less. It comes down, on a $50 deal, to whether that card will not show up 1/10 times. If you're selling to someone reputable, it will essentially show up 999/1000 times, therefore spending the $5 extra is still an enormous waste unless the buyer is the worrying type.
If it shows up 999/1000 times, then why won't you give a wavier? The choice is yours, pay for proper shipping or if you want to save on shipping, accept that one in a thousand times you won't get your card. In the long run, you are still coming out ahead.
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AGO Member
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posted March 13, 2014 03:35 PM
  
I've only had one person refuse the waiver. It has a lot to do with the fact that people over charge for DC. I can ship anything under 3oz for $1.96. I charge $2 the 4 cents actually covers the Bubble mailer and packaging. I still lose a few pennies but it doesn't matter. The fact that we are both honest traders doesn't cover the issue USPS can still lose the envelope. Guess who is left on the hook because someone wanted to save $1?
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chaos021 Member
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posted March 13, 2014 10:55 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by AGO: I've only had one person refuse the waiver. It has a lot to do with the fact that people over charge for DC. I can ship anything under 3oz for $1.96. I charge $2 the 4 cents actually covers the Bubble mailer and packaging. I still lose a few pennies but it doesn't matter. The fact that we are both honest traders doesn't cover the issue USPS can still lose the envelope. Guess who is left on the hook because someone wanted to save $1?
Uh would you please message me with how you only lose a few pennies at that rate including shipping supplies? I buy shipping materials in bulk, and I still can't get the cost that low without losing "more than a few pennies" per shipment. __________________ "Message to women worldwide: Girls....we're stupid. We don't like games. We don't know games. We can't read minds. Say it like you mean or STFU." -rockondonMy Sale Thread
[Edited 1 times, lastly by chaos021 on March 13, 2014]
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hilikuS Member
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posted March 18, 2014 08:11 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by chaos021: Uh would you please message me with how you only lose a few pennies at that rate including shipping supplies? I buy shipping materials in bulk, and I still can't get the cost that low without losing "more than a few pennies" per shipment.
By my count it would cost me about a quarter per shipment if I charged $2.00. Including ink, paper, toploaders, tape and mailers. I get my ink and mailers from Ebay, toploaders from cardboardgold.com. Other stuff from Wal Mart.
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MoSlim Member
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posted March 18, 2014 01:23 PM

quote: Originally posted by AGO: I've only had one person refuse the waiver. It has a lot to do with the fact that people over charge for DC. I can ship anything under 3oz for $1.96. I charge $2 the 4 cents actually covers the Bubble mailer and packaging. I still lose a few pennies but it doesn't matter. The fact that we are both honest traders doesn't cover the issue USPS can still lose the envelope. Guess who is left on the hook because someone wanted to save $1?
Your not including your time or gasoline into your figuring??
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JayC Member
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posted March 18, 2014 02:15 PM

quote: Originally posted by AGO: I've only had one person refuse the waiver. It has a lot to do with the fact that people over charge for DC. I can ship anything under 3oz for $1.96. I charge $2 the 4 cents actually covers the Bubble mailer and packaging. I still lose a few pennies but it doesn't matter. The fact that we are both honest traders doesn't cover the issue USPS can still lose the envelope. Guess who is left on the hook because someone wanted to save $1?
Pretty much sums it all up.
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drex3739 Member
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posted March 19, 2014 05:40 AM

quote: Originally posted by AGO: I've only had one person refuse the waiver. It has a lot to do with the fact that people over charge for DC. I can ship anything under 3oz for $1.96. I charge $2 the 4 cents actually covers the Bubble mailer and packaging. I still lose a few pennies but it doesn't matter. The fact that we are both honest traders doesn't cover the issue USPS can still lose the envelope. Guess who is left on the hook because someone wanted to save $1?
I get mine for 2.19 total. 1.96 for shipping and bubble envelope, team bag, a top loader, the labels (i use a thermal printer for it), and the invoice it costs me $0.23.
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Dresden Member
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posted March 20, 2014 03:44 PM
  
Just want to jump in and mention that absolutely nobody should be factoring in 'time' in shipping costs, that's ludicrous.
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Volcanon Member
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posted March 20, 2014 05:18 PM

quote: Originally posted by Dresden: Just want to jump in and mention that absolutely nobody should be factoring in 'time' in shipping costs, that's ludicrous.
'Time' is 'handling,' not 'shipping.' And in magic card land charging for handling is silly.
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stu55 Member
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posted March 20, 2014 08:59 PM

quote: Originally posted by MoSlim: Your not including your time or gasoline into your figuring??
lol
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hilikuS Member
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posted March 21, 2014 08:10 AM
  
Sometimes I wish I could charge handling for people who offer on my stuff, then never buy it. That'd be super cool.
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Dresden Member
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posted March 21, 2014 03:10 PM
  
I concur...but I've had this mentioned to me more than once by some sellers  quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: 'Time' is 'handling,' not 'shipping.' And in magic card land charging for handling is silly.
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