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Originally posted by FlashFrozen:
I'm pretty bad at math so I was hoping the smart people could help me out. If I wanted to give out 2 packs per person. Is there a way for me to math a fair prize support to distribute those packs based on record after 4 rounds of swiss. I want to be able to list prize support before people show up, but I also don't want to overgive away. Is there a way to math this out? thanks.

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For each 16 players, four rounds of swiss gives this:
One player 4-0
Four players 3-1
Six players 2-2
Four players 1-3
One player 0-4

If you have a more competitive group who wants the prizes split only to the top x players, you have to do math based on attendance.

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Originally posted by JensK:
You should figure out a prize per score instead of based on standings. This makes it easier for players to understand what they can win and I think it's preferred by most in event with no top 8.

For each 16 players, four rounds of swiss gives this:
One player 4-0
Four players 3-1
Six players 2-2
Four players 1-3
One player 0-4

So your prize support could be:
4-0: 10 boosters
3-0-1: 7 boosters (if the final is split)
3-1: 4 boosters
2-1-1: 2 boosters (this saves you a pack and encourages players not to draw)
2-2: 1 booster

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Originally posted by JensK:
You should figure out a prize per score instead of based on standings. This makes it easier for players to understand what they can win and I think it's preferred by most in event with no top 8.

For each 16 players, four rounds of swiss gives this:
One player 4-0
Four players 3-1
Six players 2-2
Four players 1-3
One player 0-4

So your prize support could be:
4-0: 10 boosters
3-0-1: 7 boosters (if the final is split)
3-1: 4 boosters
2-1-1: 2 boosters (this saves you a pack and encourages players not to draw)
2-2: 1 booster

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I run FNM's with a similar pay out.

4-0: 10 boosters
3-0-1: 7 boosters
3-1: 5 boosters
2-1-1: 2 boosters (Because sometimes draws happen at fnm and gives player options to just draw so both get packs.)

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Originally posted by Animosity:
I run FNM's with a similar pay out.

4-0: 10 boosters
3-0-1: 7 boosters
3-1: 5 boosters
2-1-1: 2 boosters (Because sometimes draws happen at fnm and gives player options to just draw so both get packs.)

So your prize support could be:
4-0: 10 boosters
3-0-1: 7 boosters (if the final is split)
3-1: 4 boosters
2-1-1: 2 boosters (this saves you a pack and encourages players not to draw)
2-2: 1 booster

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You really want your draw prizes to be exactly half of the the prizes from the recored above and below.

In example 1 it should be 10/7/4 or 10/8/6

In example 2 4/3/2 is better.

Why? well you both answered you own questions
"this saves you a pack and encourages players not to draw"
"Because sometimes draws happen at fnm and gives player options to just draw so both get packs."

No it doesn't do ether of these. It encourages people to conceded for prizes. Or make offers that will get the Dq'd (concede to me and i'll give you packs.)

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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
You really want your draw prizes to be exactly half of the the prizes from the recored above and below.

In example 1 it should be 10/7/4 or 10/8/6

In example 2 4/3/2 is better.

Why? well you both answered you own questions
"this saves you a pack and encourages players not to draw"
"Because sometimes draws happen at fnm and gives player options to just draw so both get packs."

No it doesn't do ether of these. It encourages people to conceded for prizes. Or make offers that will get the Dq'd (concede to me and i'll give you packs.)

In both examples it doesn't encourage people not to draw it does the opposite, since they get more packs if someone concedes. If it was even they can agree to split packs and no matter what (win lose draw) they get the same number of packs.

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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Drawing is awful and should never be rewarded.

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Originally posted by FlashFrozen:
Thanks everyone for your responses, theyre very helpful. I'm trying to figure out a very flat payout structure that's easy to understand. The number of shops in my area is fairly dense and the players at my shop are very new and very casual. Mostly just looking for a lot of incentive to play and a tiny incentive to win.

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Originally posted by FlashFrozen:
Thanks everyone for your responses, theyre very helpful. I'm trying to figure out a very flat payout structure that's easy to understand. The number of shops in my area is fairly dense and the players at my shop are very new and very casual. Mostly just looking for a lot of incentive to play and a tiny incentive to win.

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in that case, you might consider an alternative payout structure. an LGS here gave out random store credit (in addition to packs based on performance). At the end of the night, everyone would get to draw from a bag, and grab a poker chip. they were all labeled with a value, and they worked as store credit. values ranged from $1-16, with a few oddballs like 'free pack' and 'free fnm'. also made sure everyone stayed all night.

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Originally posted by thror:
in that case, you might consider an alternative payout structure. an LGS here gave out random store credit (in addition to packs based on performance). At the end of the night, everyone would get to draw from a bag, and grab a poker chip. they were all labeled with a value, and they worked as store credit. values ranged from $1-16, with a few oddballs like 'free pack' and 'free fnm'. also made sure everyone stayed all night.

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That is actually amazing. I love this idea. Now if only we could get rid of people drawing out.

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