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tragicmagic
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posted May 22, 2014 09:49 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for tragicmagic Click Here to Email tragicmagic Send a private message to tragicmagic Click to send tragicmagic an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View tragicmagic's Trade Auction or SaleView tragicmagic's Trade Auction or Sale
In my area, there are about 5 stores within radius of each other, so naturally, the traffic splits to different stores.

At our store specifically, we host FNM at $5 a person and prize support looks like:

1st place: 10 Packs + Free SCG IQ Entry (any IQ we host, including Elites)
2nd place: 8 packs
3rd-4th place: 5 pack
5th-6th: 3 packs
7th-8th: 1 pack

And we also raffle off another free SCG IQ Entry.

Another store in the area does prize support with 4 boxes + door prizes at a $5 entry.

My question is do you think that FNM is getting to the point where it should be considered competitive? Or should it be seen as being casual fun still? Obviously the bigger the prize structure, the more competitive it gets. Bigger name players will go to a tournament with 4 boxes for prize payout. People start bringing in netdecks and lose touch with brewing the fun stuff.

My goal here is to drive a culture that encourages new players to start, and other players to experiment and ultimately have fun. Or, do players appreciate having a competitive atmosphere more and bigger prize payout?

 
oneofchaos
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posted May 22, 2014 11:01 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for oneofchaos Click Here to Email oneofchaos Send a private message to oneofchaos Click to send oneofchaos an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by tragicmagic:
In my area, there are about 5 stores within radius of each other, so naturally, the traffic splits to different stores.

At our store specifically, we host FNM at $5 a person and prize support looks like:

1st place: 10 Packs + Free SCG IQ Entry (any IQ we host, including Elites)
2nd place: 8 packs
3rd-4th place: 5 pack
5th-6th: 3 packs
7th-8th: 1 pack

And we also raffle off another free SCG IQ Entry.

Another store in the area does prize support with 4 boxes + door prizes at a $5 entry.

My question is do you think that FNM is getting to the point where it should be considered competitive? Or should it be seen as being casual fun still? Obviously the bigger the prize structure, the more competitive it gets. Bigger name players will go to a tournament with 4 boxes for prize payout. People start bringing in netdecks and lose touch with brewing the fun stuff.

My goal here is to drive a culture that encourages new players to start, and other players to experiment and ultimately have fun. Or, do players appreciate having a competitive atmosphere more and bigger prize payout?


One of the problems I have noticed is that sometimes FNM is literally the only tournament a store will have, so they need to try to appeal to both. If that is the case, you need to draw in the cutthroats. If you have other tournaments, I see no reason why you can't dial it down and make it more relaxed.

 
LandDestroyer
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I think we have some threads on this in one of these forums that can offer past opinions. Right now I'm at work and can't spend time to dig it up so just an fyi if someone can find and link it in.
 
coasterdude84
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My LGS I think does it right. They do FNM as a casual setting, and get the biggest draw for that, even among the more competitive players, as it gives them an outlet to experiment with new deck ideas. It's $5 to play, and structured to give prizes to top 3 players, but every player that stays till the end gets a pack. Prizes, as a result, aren't as big (I took 2nd this past Friday and got 5+1 packs, from a field of about 32 people), but it helps keep it friendly and fun. They run another Standard event on Tuesday nights, same structure. Smaller turnout, but still probably 16+ people show up, and this tends to be slightly more competitive.

They've recently started running Saturday standard tournaments, and these are geared toward the more serious players. Prizes still only to the top 3, but no free pack for everyone, basically winners take all. I think by providing this competitive outlet, it keeps FNM casual.

They run other formats throughout the rest of the week, such that I can play Magic every goddamn night if I want. If you have the floorspace and are open for business, I don't see why you wouldn't have something every night. Always baffled me when stores didn't.

 
wayne
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posted May 23, 2014 03:24 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for wayne Click Here to Email wayne Send a private message to wayne Click to send wayne an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View wayne's Have/Want ListView wayne's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
One of the problems I have noticed is that sometimes FNM is literally the only tournament a store will have, so they need to try to appeal to both. If that is the case, you need to draw in the cutthroats. If you have other tournaments, I see no reason why you can't dial it down and make it more relaxed.

I think that having fnm has the only tournament is a bad idea, they probably need larger scale tournaments on weekends.

 
tragicmagic
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We have a similar weekly structure. We have 5 nights of Magic. Monday and Wednesday are Win-a-boxes, Thursday draft, Friday Night Magic, and Saturday depending on the day, we do IQ's or GPT's. If neither are occurring, we do EDH League/2HG Tournament if there's enough people. We hope that hosting GPT's and IQ's/Win a Boxes really pushes the competitive side, but we can enjoy the purity and fun of a regular casual FNM.
 
oneofchaos
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quote:
Originally posted by wayne:
I think that having fnm has the only tournament is a bad idea, they probably need larger scale tournaments on weekends.

Never said it was a good idea, I think it's terrible. It's just the reality of a lot of stores only doing magic one night a week. You could try to alter an FNM meta and do draft and standard and offer bigger prizes for one to lure the competition to one.

 
wayne
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quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Never said it was a good idea, I think it's terrible. It's just the reality of a lot of stores only doing magic one night a week. You could try to alter an FNM meta and do draft and standard and offer bigger prizes for one to lure the competition to one.


Maybe it is just easier to do business over there. In my country, a lot of the stores have tournaments half the week.

 
ryan2754
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quote:
Originally posted by coasterdude84:
My LGS I think does it right. They do FNM as a casual setting, and get the biggest draw for that, even among the more competitive players, as it gives them an outlet to experiment with new deck ideas. It's $5 to play, and structured to give prizes to top 3 players, but every player that stays till the end gets a pack. Prizes, as a result, aren't as big (I took 2nd this past Friday and got 5+1 packs, from a field of about 32 people), but it helps keep it friendly and fun. They run another Standard event on Tuesday nights, same structure. Smaller turnout, but still probably 16+ people show up, and this tends to be slightly more competitive.

They've recently started running Saturday standard tournaments, and these are geared toward the more serious players. Prizes still only to the top 3, but no free pack for everyone, basically winners take all. I think by providing this competitive outlet, it keeps FNM casual.


Samesies.
Thursday is EDH league
Friday is FNM, drafts all night
Saturday is Modern, then Standard, then drafts

FNM has biggest turnout, and see a full range of decks, from the younger kids who are recently getting in to the older more competitive players, but they are usually doing home brewing on FNM. Saturday standard is big name netdecking/practicing for PTQs, etc.

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Sovarius
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quote:
Originally posted by tragicmagic:
At our store specifically, we host FNM at $5 a person and prize support looks like:

1st place: 10 Packs + Free SCG IQ Entry (any IQ we host, including Elites)
2nd place: 8 packs
3rd-4th place: 5 pack
5th-6th: 3 packs
7th-8th: 1 pack

Another neaby store does prize support with 4 boxes + door prizes at a $5 entry.


The prize support doesn't depend on entrants? How many entrants do these stores get for FNM?

I just ask because i am wanting to start my own game shop within a few years from now.

 
tragicmagic
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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
The prize support doesn't depend on entrants? How many entrants do these stores get for FNM?

I just ask because i am wanting to start my own game shop within a few years from now.


Some stores do base it on number of entrants. Smaller stores, especially. A lot of stores also do some "guaranteed prize support" for a lot of tournaments and then some tournaments don't.

For our FNM's though, I do a guaranteed prize support because it's better for business. As a player, I like knowing what I'm spending my time on if I go. If I go to an 8 man tournament expecting prize payout for a 20 man tournament, as a player I'm disappointed. As a business, I understand this perspective and I'm confident in my ability to market and draw enough people to pay for whatever prize support I advertise.

If you ever want to talk shop though, let me know! We have two locations, so it keeps us on our toes, but we can always afford to learn more.

 

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