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Topic: Is Legacy Dead?
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GenghisTom
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posted June 18, 2014 10:38 AM
      
Legacy will never be "dead".
Vintage isn't even "dead".
Extended might be considered "dead", but there's likely still some people playing it somewhere in the world.Magic is too old a game with too many dedicated adult players for a format like Legacy to die. The card pool and deck options for Legacy are vast.
Is the bar for entry into Legacy high? Yes. As it should be. It's the final level of Magic one can aspire to enter Why doesn't Vintage occupy this place? Because, as stab pointed out above, the availability of P9 and other cards is not enough to support a large player base. Not only that, people don't like losing on the die roll. Legacy is the perfect balance between broken and fair decks. It has prestige and glamor, which Modern lacks at the moment. There is, however, a certain cap on its popularity. This cap is based on how many people are willing to invest in the cards for a competitive deck. Tournaments with appealing prizes are a great incentive. And SCG is just that.
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oldschool
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posted June 18, 2014 10:58 AM
sanctioned and tournament legacy / vintage can die but casual never will. People don't appreciate investing thousands of dollars of many years for cards they will do nothing with. They will always want to continue being able to use their old cards and collections. Every new set and every rotation creates new players that will play these eternal formats whether there are tournaments or not.People on these forums have a sense of entitlement that if theyre playing vintage or legacy they need the netdecks and the best cards in the format. That is not the case. Ever since magic came out people had fun playing with the cards they had. A casual player will not get his ass kicked at the local store playing legacy or vintage because, chances are, other players wont have the power cards either. Magic is about millions of players around the world having fun playing, it's not just about the stupid sanctioned tournament scene.
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oneofchaos
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posted June 18, 2014 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by GenghisTom:
Legacy will never be "dead".
Is the bar for entry into Legacy high? Yes. As it should be. It's the final level of Magic one can aspire to enter
Exactly. If you want to be the best NASCAR driver ever, you probably don't start off your racing career in the NASCAR circuit. Plus, I like having a more mature player base (which is why I generally avoid FNM's).
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chaos021
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posted June 18, 2014 07:02 PM
 
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Originally posted by GenghisTom:
Legacy will never be "dead".
Vintage isn't even "dead".
Extended might be considered "dead", but there's likely still some people playing it somewhere in the world.Magic is too old a game with too many dedicated adult players for a format like Legacy to die. The card pool and deck options for Legacy are vast.
Is the bar for entry into Legacy high? Yes. As it should be. It's the final level of Magic one can aspire to enter Why doesn't Vintage occupy this place? Because, as stab pointed out above, the availability of P9 and other cards is not enough to support a large player base. Not only that, people don't like losing on the die roll. Legacy is the perfect balance between broken and fair decks. It has prestige and glamor, which Modern lacks at the moment. There is, however, a certain cap on its popularity. This cap is based on how many people are willing to invest in the cards for a competitive deck. Tournaments with appealing prizes are a great incentive. And SCG is just that.
If you're not doing SCG events, what's left for legacy? __________________
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oneofchaos
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posted June 18, 2014 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by chaos021:
If you're not doing SCG events, what's left for legacy?
All those people that bought duals/forces to play in SCG probably still have all those duals/forces they bought and they probably have a LGS. In reality, SCG will never kill the legacy open until it's not profitable. They literally have it made the way it is, even if modern "could" be more profitable they'd need concrete undeniable proof.
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WeedIan
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posted June 18, 2014 09:11 PM
we hit 8-15 people weekly in a city of who's surrounding populations is about 400,000 and the total group probably pushes 25-30.I don't know how many legacy events fire in Toronto, i do know that they get a good number when they run Legacy side events at PTQ events. __________________
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chaos021
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posted June 18, 2014 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
All those people that bought duals/forces to play in SCG probably still have all those duals/forces they bought and they probably have a LGS. In reality, SCG will never kill the legacy open until it's not profitable. They literally have it made the way it is, even if modern "could" be more profitable they'd need concrete undeniable proof.
I'm not saying they would destroy their own Legacy Opens. I just don't know the environment or what tourneys are out there for legacy players outsides of SCG's events. __________________
"Message to women worldwide: Girls....we're stupid. We don't like games. We don't know games. We can't read minds. Say it like you mean or STFU." -rockondonMy Sale Thread
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GenghisTom
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posted June 19, 2014 07:45 AM
Card Kingdom in Seattle holds weekly Legacy averaging 20-30 people.Another place about an hour North holds Legacy monthly and gets >30 people. These tournaments existed long before the SCG circuit took hold. All you have to do is offer prizes.
Ironically, if SCG did happen to collapse its Legacy portion (a big "IF") these tournaments might become bigger. People would still have their cards and an itch to play at big events so there's a chance the turn out would increase. I think the SCG circuit has fostered something that can grow on its own.
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oneofchaos
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posted June 19, 2014 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by GenghisTom:
Card Kingdom in Seattle holds weekly Legacy averaging 20-30 people.Another place about an hour North holds Legacy monthly and gets >30 people. These tournaments existed long before the SCG circuit took hold. All you have to do is offer prizes.
Ironically, if SCG did happen to collapse its Legacy portion (a big "IF") these tournaments might become bigger. People would still have their cards and an itch to play at big events so there's a chance the turn out would increase. I think the SCG circuit has fostered something that can grow on its own.
Vintage never had the option due to lack of a playerbase, but if WOTC bans brainstorm tomorrow enough players might take the EDH approach to Legacy and run it through a committee. A lot of people think that legacy is expensive. It's only expensive if you don't intend to play it for a long time.
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stu55
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posted June 19, 2014 05:28 PM
Modern events are 5ks, not 10ks.Legacy will keep growing because player base gets older and is able to afford the more expensive cards
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lordofthepit23
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posted June 19, 2014 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by GenghisTom:
Card Kingdom in Seattle holds weekly Legacy averaging 20-30 people.Another place about an hour North holds Legacy monthly and gets >30 people. These tournaments existed long before the SCG circuit took hold. All you have to do is offer prizes.
Ironically, if SCG did happen to collapse its Legacy portion (a big "IF") these tournaments might become bigger. People would still have their cards and an itch to play at big events so there's a chance the turn out would increase. I think the SCG circuit has fostered something that can grow on its own.
Card Kingdom had been getting over 40 recently.
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GenghisTom
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posted June 19, 2014 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by lordofthepit23:
Card Kingdom had been getting over 40 recently.
Wow, it's been a while since I've been there. Heard it's been getting more lately though.
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WeedIan
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posted June 19, 2014 09:28 PM
We had 24 tonight.__________________
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lordofthepit23
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posted June 20, 2014 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by GenghisTom:
Wow, it's been a while since I've been there. Heard it's been getting more lately though.
It varies depending on whether there's been other large events on the weekends, but it's been definitely going up: http://i.imgur.com/b5UdsgS.png This is one of many reasons I laugh when people ask if Legacy is dead.
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oneofchaos
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posted June 20, 2014 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by lordofthepit23:
It varies depending on whether there's been other large events on the weekends, but it's been definitely going up: http://i.imgur.com/b5UdsgS.pngThis is one of many reasons I laugh when people ask if Legacy is dead.
This plot almost makes me happy except that one point where I cringe.
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lordofthepit23
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posted June 20, 2014 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
This plot almost makes me happy except that one point where I cringe.
That was a special Memorial Day event with special prize support.
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