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Jubert39
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I know this has been beaten to death, and I've read way too many forums related to this topic, but I'd like to start it here as well. All opinions and discussions are welcome. Mods you can close this thread if its too redundant.

I am curious what you guys see happening to the "value" of Magic cards in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years. Same question for the "game" of Magic as well.

As I've gotten older and played on and off (starting from 4th edition to current with several hiatus') the game seems so out of control and brilliant at the same time.

1st topic- Power 9, alpha/beta/unlimited duals, Reserved list cards.
I think WoTC is just in the biggest tug of war possible. We all have talked about Legacy, and its future. Will it continue forever? or will it die due to increasing prices of "limited" supply of cards (aka dual lands). Of course the prices will go up as demand increases in this case.
WoTC can abolish the "reprint" policy and revive Legacy thats for sure. It'll make all the players happy too. But as a collector, someone who invested hard earned money into duals or power, will probably a little more than just upset, or will they?

I honestly wonder what would ACTUALLY happen. What if WotC decided to reprint dual lands and power 9 (bring back vintage). On one hand you have all the players rejoicing as they can acquire the most power cards at a cheaper price, but I think quicker than that, wed be at a similar point.

My speculation: If WotC reprinted duals, it would obviously be spoiled on the internet and millions of magic players would "gather up" all their money and just buy boxes and boxes of the set that contains the duals. This would increase the price of the boxes (aka look at Modern Masters). This would quickly make each dual at least $20-$50.
If that happened, what would happen to the alpha beta unl revised (original) dual lands? While most think itll kill the prices, "I personally" believe it would dip at first, but then escalate even higher. Now you open the market up to more Legacy players by reprinting duals. More players gain interest and start investing in the budget reprinted duals (as they can now afford the cards at 1/10th the cost). The format would expand really quick and get players would may not have even considered legacy, actually try it out. Then you will have those guys (with cash) out there wanting to make their decks all fancy with black border duals. It functions the same as a revised dual, but people still spend thousands to pimp out their decks. (aka look at foils of legacy staples) You dont NEED foil snapcasters, but people still want them to show off at tournaments.

My point on all this is to start a discussion, but even as I collect reserved list cards, I believe that if WoTC abolishes the reserved list, the prices of the original printings will still hold value and go up over time. As much as id like to be the at the HQ of WOTC, I think its actually a nightmare to think about the reserved list, and legacy format.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Jubert39 on August 21, 2014]

 
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95-100% resell value easily thanks to the reserved list. I like not worrying about my cards tanking in value if I don't get rid of them quickly enough. If you invest the money to play eternal formats and don't enjoy yourself, you can just get it back. That's much more appealing to me.
 
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Magic is amazing. I love it. I love every format except Vintage. I imagine at some point that they'll actually have to slow down the pace at which they release sets though. How many more times can they re-invent the wheel and keep people interested? I guess the lore has always kept me in it to some extent through the Alara cycle. I just don't see it dying unless Hasbro/WotC/whoever really screws it up somehow.

As far as the reserved list, I actually hate that it exists but it seems necessary for several cards. The biggest thing that I hated about eternal formats was how repetitive it was for me. All of it came back to how many people were able to break into it and how stagnant the meta seemed to be for long stretches of time when I used to play it. It's a bit different in recent years, and I understand people won't necessarily have my experiences with it. However, I do see the same things beginning to happen with Modern now as far as people being able to break into the format. It's not nearly as bad price-wise and Modern is hardly stagnant; but just based on what I've seen with Modern Masters and MaRo's explanation for why they were releasing it, I've often wondered if the price of cards on the reserved list would skyrocket to some extent just from an increased ability for many people to buy-in. WotC or SCG would probably have to support Vintage/Legacy a ton more than they do now because, from what I understand, even SCG is trying to trim down the number of eternal format events. Although I'm not sure that's accurate because I don't follow it closely any more. Otherwise, I don't know where the eternal formats go from here. I'm not saying there isn't support for them, but there isn't unified worldwide support for it like all the other formats. I find it strange because the people I know who are into Vintage/Legacy are willing to travel and spend monies. Seems like the holy grail for WotC on one level.

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I will comment in more detail when I'm not at work.


I don't foresee the reserved list leaving anytime soon. (unless their was a built in end date)

5-10-20 years down the road I see Magic still being a dominate game. I think things will inevitably shift more online as younger generations are less attached to material goods.

Finally... I think we are still on the upswing. I'm still amazed how diverse the group of people that play compared to 10 years ago when i started.

Crazy speculation --> Magic will peek when they reprint fetch lands.

 
Jubert39
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my other take on this, which i didnt even consider, is MTGO. If legacy dies (in cardboard format), I dont see how online would die. Obviously supply could be unlimited. With the Vintage Masters being released, I think itll increase the number of players and the cardboard version of dual lands will just be iconic in the LONG RUN. IF the real game ever dies, and online takes over, I still think the cardboard versions will still hold a lot of collector value.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by mcelraca:

I think things will inevitably shift more online as younger generations are less attached to material goods.


I used to think this as well, however I don't think this is the case. I think MTGO attracts a inherently different crowd (the 'video game' crowd), while cardboard magic attracts another. It's hard to say what future generations will prefer, but humans like touching real things for the most part.

Look at Warhammer, D&D, Board Games, Yu Gi Oh, etc, all thriving more than ever. As it becomes more socially acceptable to play our 'nerd' games more people will catch on.

Magic is kind of a phenomenon, the first of its kind. There hasn't been anything like it before so we don't know how these things end up. Naturally, as humans we tend to think everything has to come to an end and keep our eyes on the horizon, but that won't happen here. Hasbro is a large company with a lot of money to be made. Magic will adapt, grow, change (all the same thing I know), many things but die is not one of them.

We already see it slowly happening ever since the card frame changed in 8th edition. Then planeswalkers, etc etc and now another card frame change. These things are minute' and cause only little fuss from the grumpy old men when they come about, but after a while, when you add them all up and compare what you have to what once was, it can be a startling difference.

I will always play Magic, casual. No matter how the game changes it will never forget it's roots and as long as the players/collectors have money, they will yearn for the original printings so get your power nine now while its still incredibly cheap because it wont be come ten years from now.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mcelraca:
I will comment in more detail when I'm not at work.


I don't foresee the reserved list leaving anytime soon. (unless their was a built in end date)

5-10-20 years down the road I see Magic still being a dominate game. I think things will inevitably shift more online as younger generations are less attached to material goods.

Finally... I think we are still on the upswing. I'm still amazed how diverse the group of people that play compared to 10 years ago when i started.

Crazy speculation --> Magic will peek when they reprint fetch lands.


Without the reserved list, younger players have nothing to works towards in terms of collecting things. Anything not on the reserved list can be reprinted at any time, so it more or less becomes just wait for it to be reprinted. Part of the success of magic is that you appeal to young players, casual players, older players, spikes, constructed players, drafters, EDH players etc.

 
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My Belief is that Hasbro will eventually get bought out by another company. Best guess would be Disney. For those of you in disbelief, go down the toy lanes at stores. Disney controls about 75% of the shelf space with all of their companies they own. Buying Hasbro, Gives them Playdo, Mr Potato head, Transformers, my little pony and the marvel brand back. Yes I know Disney owns marvel, but hasbro has the toy rights.

One of two things will happen, things will continue on and grow or Disney will go for the money and reprint like crazy.

The Reprints will cause the game to grow and grow, but in the end the people will flame out. The backlash would be great, but the people who would flock to the reprints would be greater then backlash of value. Eventually I would see the game going the way of sports cards. I can remember growing up and there were 5 or so card stores that dabbed in magic cards but mostly sold sports cards. Now there is not a single sports card store in town. I would venture to say that is how most cities have gone to. When there is no value in resell, shops close, when shops close then there is no FNM, and well at the risk of sounding like a commercial I think you can figure the rest out.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by slurpee:
My Belief is that Hasbro will eventually get bought out by another company. Best guess would be Disney. For those of you in disbelief, go down the toy lanes at stores. Disney controls about 75% of the shelf space with all of their companies they own. Buying Hasbro, Gives them Playdo, Mr Potato head, Transformers, my little pony and the marvel brand back. Yes I know Disney owns marvel, but hasbro has the toy rights.

One of two things will happen, things will continue on and grow or Disney will go for the money and reprint like crazy.

The Reprints will cause the game to grow and grow, but in the end the people will flame out. The backlash would be great, but the people who would flock to the reprints would be greater then backlash of value. Eventually I would see the game going the way of sports cards. I can remember growing up and there were 5 or so card stores that dabbed in magic cards but mostly sold sports cards. Now there is not a single sports card store in town. I would venture to say that is how most cities have gone to. When there is no value in resell, shops close, when shops close then there is no FNM, and well at the risk of sounding like a commercial I think you can figure the rest out.


This is a very real and scary scenario ^^


I've known about the potential Disney takeover for years. Yet, I would hope is Disney bought them out they wouldn't clean house at WOTC. As long as the RIGHT people didn't get canned I think they could keep MTG the way it is, but if Disney decides they just want the bottom line(money) like they always do....Disney could be the end of MTG.

The one thing I could see....is that Disney doesn't own all of Marvel, and maybe they don't try and buyout Hasbro. Luckily the X-men are a separate entity, I dunno how that translates into toys, but I do know from my years of collecting them that X-men action figures are ALWAYS the most popular of the bunch. While the rest of Marvel is pretty popular(Hulk, Iron Man, Spider-Man) it is the X-Men who a lot of the kids flock to, particularly Wolverine toys. So maybe if they didn't get the rights to produce X-men figures, bc they don't own the rights to the movies or likenesses of the characters, then they wouldn't ever try to buy out Hasbro?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Without the reserved list, younger players have nothing to works towards in terms of collecting things. Anything not on the reserved list can be reprinted at any time, so it more or less becomes just wait for it to be reprinted. Part of the success of magic is that you appeal to young players, casual players, older players, spikes, constructed players, drafters, EDH players etc.

But it's not all about collecting.

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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
But it's not all about collecting.



That's why you can reprint some things but not everything.

 
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The List will only be gone when sales slump, mark my words. They don't have to do it now. If Magic has a few quarters of double-digit percentage losses, you can bet your ass they'll turn to the reserve list to make some money.

Also, last I checked Alpha Birds of Paradise in NM condition was ~600, maybe more. Don't give me that BS that reprinting stuff on the List would 'destroy the collectability'. It's only going to affect the prices of stuff that wasn't collectible in the first place, like ugly revised duals or beat-up Mana Drains.

Even then, maybe not even. Look at the price of P3K English stuff that was reprinted in Commander 2013. Hua Tuo, for example, is still $50 and still really hard to move, whereas the reprinted version is less than a dollar.

Same for Xiahou Dun, which dipped to 60ish and is now back to 100ish.

I hope they stop limiting their revenue stream. That's what really worries me; that they'll put some BS promise that nobody really cares about, and that has changed from its inception anyway, ahead of making money *and* giving their customers what they want.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:

I hope they stop limiting their revenue stream.

WotC has done pretty good job of pushing the product release schedule to maximize revenue. On top of having 4 sets a year that most players will spend money on they now have a pair of regular supplemental releases that interest players of different formats. Then there are the dual decks, event decks and the holiday product. This year they are pushing the holiday product to see if there is an appetite for a product at that price point in that product release slot. That $100 MSRP in December is about seeing what the limit is in trying to maximize revenue stream.

Edit: I agree with Mr. C on when the reserve list goes away. When it goes away it will be a sign that the bottom has fallen out.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by stab107 on August 24, 2014]

 
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I dont really think wotc really cares about legacy. Its gonna push for modern more and more. So what if legacy dies out. All the price increases of duals doesnt benedit the company at all, just the secondary. If that happens, i think legacy will be supported even more so online, as there is no "no reprint" policy.

I agree in general with people saying itll go more and more online. Its just the time and culture we live in.

Look at cell phones. Emails. Shopping online. Hell, even online dating. All of there were rare or unheard of 30 years ago. To think that you could buy a tv from online while using your iphone and talking to your significant other u met on match.com. it just makes sense that overtime cardboard will turn to the virtual world.

 
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Magic Online will never provide the social aspect so many people enjoy @ FNM / Events. The ability to see friends, trade, meet new people and bitch and wine about a bad beat after the fact outside sharing a cigarette with a friend or two trumps all.
 
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It may not support the social aspect, but overall itll gain a bigger crowd imo. Id venture to say that more people are lazy and would rather sit at home, drink a beer, and play online magic, then go out on FRIDAY night to play FNM. Some people have a social life outside of magic that they use their FRIDAY nights for.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Jubert39:
It may not support the social aspect, but overall itll gain a bigger crowd imo. Id venture to say that more people are lazy and would rather sit at home, drink a beer, and play online magic, then go out on FRIDAY night to play FNM. Some people have a social life outside of magic that they use their FRIDAY nights for.

I dunno about you, but I see some of the filthiest, out of shape, introvert people at my local FNM in masses, every-single-Friday - I don't think you will lose that. It's the 'one' place they feel welcome, 'normal', etc. which is a great thing don't get me wrong, and in my experience it's always been that way and I've been playing 20 years on and off, age 11 I was an outcast awkward little kid and I found friends there... as an early teen I was still not part of the popular crowd and once again, it served me and then in my 20's when I'd come into my own that's what I saw amongst the younger ages. Today, in my early 30's, nothing has changed.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by JayC:
I dunno about you, but I see some of the filthiest, out of shape, introvert people at my local FNM in masses, every-single-Friday - I don't think you will lose that. It's the 'one' place they feel welcome, 'normal', etc. which is a great thing don't get me wrong, and in my experience it's always been that way and I've been playing 20 years on and off, age 11 I was an outcast awkward little kid and I found friends there... as an early teen I was still not part of the popular crowd and once again, it served me and then in my 20's when I'd come into my own that's what I saw amongst the younger ages. Today, in my early 30's, nothing has changed.

well i do agree there are a lot of out of shape people, there are also a lot of out of shape people at home, lying in filth, and playing MTGO. I think due to the fact that you go there, you think that its the majority, but I think more people play online than people do on Friday nights.

 
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First, the idea alone of a magic player too lazy to go to FNM...Wow!

But anyway, as a person who started magic when you did, I was never the introverted out of shape magic player. In fact, people weren't out of shape back then really at all. The obesity epidemic sweeping the nation is relatively new. Magic back in '95 was for fantasy oriented kids; it had nothing to do with intorversion or extroversion. Sure you definitely encountered overweight people but in no different proportion than on a football team.

As far as magic prices, I think the typical mtg player is so poorly guided as far as the potential that exists for Magic if they printed freely the reserved list. Action comics #1 is on ebay right now for 2.2 million dollars. It is not playable; itís hardly readable due to its packaging. It has been reprinted several times. Still it is the iconic image that started it all. My alpha black lotus, that lovely card that I just had to own, even when alpha was worth LESS than beta, it was my holy grail. I own one. I would be perfectly happy if they reprinted the black lotus. I own an unlimited one as well. These cards are part of magic history.

But why am I the biggest fan of reprints? Because one thing that MTGO has shown us is that people do want to play all formats. I own 2 sets of P9 and I donít play vintage. Why? Because Time Vault/Voltaic Key has got to be the silliest thing ever; because Eldrazi have no place in vintage. I think that the more people who play, the more who will think the way I do and a new, better vintage banned/restricted list will be the outcome. Maybe make an entire modern format that includes new frame P9. Who knows? People just rely way too much on sanctioned magic these days.

 
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Agreed Nick. I think the original p9 and duals will always hold a lot of value.
The whole Time Vault Voltaic key is really silly. I just dont enjoy vintage b.c a lot times it comes down to the dice roll.
Im trying to get myself into modern, and playing urzatron is one of the most fun exciting decks ive every played. I used to play casually with friends with my lotus and moxen, and while it was fun back then, I just like that modern is more of an even playing field. you dont NEED to play blue to be competitive in modern. In Vintage, every deck has time vault/key, 5 moxen, lotus, ancestral recall, time walk, demonic tutor, sol ring, mana vault, mana crypt, force of will, library of alexandria, strip mine, yawgmoths will, fetchlands, duals. Thats more than half the deck.

Sure there is workshop decks too, but i feel like vintage is just too broken of a format

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:
The List will only be gone when sales slump, mark my words. They don't have to do it now. If Magic has a few quarters of double-digit percentage losses, you can bet your ass they'll turn to the reserve list to make some money.

Also, last I checked Alpha Birds of Paradise in NM condition was ~600, maybe more. Don't give me that BS that reprinting stuff on the List would 'destroy the collectability'. It's only going to affect the prices of stuff that wasn't collectible in the first place, like ugly revised duals or beat-up Mana Drains.

Even then, maybe not even. Look at the price of P3K English stuff that was reprinted in Commander 2013. Hua Tuo, for example, is still $50 and still really hard to move, whereas the reprinted version is less than a dollar.

Same for Xiahou Dun, which dipped to 60ish and is now back to 100ish.

I hope they stop limiting their revenue stream. That's what really worries me; that they'll put some BS promise that nobody really cares about, and that has changed from its inception anyway, ahead of making money *and* giving their customers what they want.


Abolishing the reserved list isn't going to help magic grow. If it's dying it'll be essentially a year or two delayed in it's death. That said, even if MTG goes down Hasbro doesn't necessarily want to give everyone the middle finger due to the fact they do indeed sell other products.

 
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They could simply allow a certain amount of proxies in sanctioned tournaments. That way more players could join and the reserved list doesn't have to be touched = no loss in value for those cards.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Scuderia88 on August 25, 2014]
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Scuderia88:
They could simply allow a certain amount of proxies in sanctioned tournaments. That way more players could join and the reserved list doesn't have to be touched = no loss in value for those cards.

I brought up this idea before and people said it wouldnt be sanctioned then. I think if SCG held a vintage/legacy tourney, where you could buy a "SCG made" proxy at $1 per card, 20 card max, then it would. Would there be a small majority that gets mad about acquiring the real power 9? maybe, but I think more players would be okay with it as long it meant it would expand the # of vintage players.
ps- I think SCG would have to remake proxies each tournament so that people who bought proxies from them before cant just reuse them, theyd have to "buy" new proxies.
Rule would have to be, allow ONLY the cards on the reserved list to be proxied. Aka can't proxy a Tarmogoyf.

 
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Yeah that's what I meant, just explained more specific :-)

quote:
Originally posted by Jubert39:
I brought up this idea before and people said it wouldnt be sanctioned then. I think if SCG held a vintage/legacy tourney, where you could buy a "SCG made" proxy at $1 per card, 20 card max, then it would. Would there be a small majority that gets mad about acquiring the real power 9? maybe, but I think more players would be okay with it as long it meant it would expand the # of vintage players.
ps- I think SCG would have to remake proxies each tournament so that people who bought proxies from them before cant just reuse them, theyd have to "buy" new proxies.
Rule would have to be, allow ONLY the cards on the reserved list to be proxied. Aka can't proxy a Tarmogoyf.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Jubert39:
I brought up this idea before and people said it wouldnt be sanctioned then. I think if SCG held a vintage/legacy tourney, where you could buy a "SCG made" proxy at $1 per card, 20 card max, then it would. Would there be a small majority that gets mad about acquiring the real power 9? maybe, but I think more players would be okay with it as long it meant it would expand the # of vintage players.
ps- I think SCG would have to remake proxies each tournament so that people who bought proxies from them before cant just reuse them, theyd have to "buy" new proxies.
Rule would have to be, allow ONLY the cards on the reserved list to be proxied. Aka can't proxy a Tarmogoyf.

Rule shouldn't have anything to do with cards if you can proxy. If it's a ten proxy event and I want to proxy brainstorm, ponder and bunch of other stuff I have just as much the right as somebody who proxy's power.

 

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