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fluffycow
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 posted January 19, 2015 08:42 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for fluffycow Click Here to Email fluffycow Send a private message to fluffycow Click to send fluffycow an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/banned-and-restricted-announcement-2015-01-19

Modern:

Dig Through Time, Treasure Cruise, and Birthing Pod are banned.

Golgari Grave-Troll is no longer banned.

Legacy:

Treasure Cruise is banned.

Worldgorger Dragon is no longer banned.

Vintage:

Treasure Cruise is restricted.

Gifts Ungiven is no longer restricted.

Like...wow. Was the decision too hasty? I think they should have waited a bit to see if people could have adapted to cruise and dig in modern. Thoughts?

 
thror
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 posted January 19, 2015 09:25 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for thror Send a private message to thror Click to send thror an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
all good bans, all expected. very happy.

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skizzikmonger
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 posted January 19, 2015 09:34 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for skizzikmonger Click Here to Email skizzikmonger Send a private message to skizzikmonger Click to send skizzikmonger an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View skizzikmonger's Have/Want ListView skizzikmonger's Have/Want List
Cruise & Pod I get, but Dig Through Time? Was it really that insane in modern?
 
Pail42
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 posted January 19, 2015 09:43 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Cruise & Pod I get, but Dig Through Time? Was it really that insane in modern?

I agree with the reasoning in the article. If you ban Cruise and not Dig then almost all the decks playing cruise get a tiny bit worse and play Dig instead.

 
oneofchaos
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 posted January 19, 2015 09:52 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for oneofchaos Click Here to Email oneofchaos Send a private message to oneofchaos Click to send oneofchaos an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I think banning dig was stupid. Card is not nearly a direct replacement and is actually interesting.

Also rip pod I enjoyed playing it. Guess I am done with modern?

 
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 posted January 19, 2015 10:07 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Tim05 Click Here to Email Tim05 Send a private message to Tim05 Click to send Tim05 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Tim05's Have/Want ListView Tim05's Have/Want List
Only been playing modern about a month and decided to build Delver. Well, that was a fun experiment..
 
Pail42
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 posted January 19, 2015 10:22 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Delver was good before Dig and Cruise. Without Pod in the format it will probably still be competitive.
 
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 posted January 19, 2015 10:29 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for A1phaMale Click Here to Email A1phaMale Send a private message to A1phaMale Click to send A1phaMale an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I'm so glad that dig and treasure cruise got banned. They were format warping on so many levels.
 
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 posted January 19, 2015 10:37 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for dfitzg88 Click Here to Email dfitzg88 Send a private message to dfitzg88 Click to send dfitzg88 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
so literally no damage done to modern twin. is that deck just going to explode?
 
Pail42
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 posted January 19, 2015 10:49 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
It looks like the currently successful Twin combo decks have been running 3-4 Dig.
 
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I just finished making my U/R Delver deck and got to play it at one tournament only. Thanks A lot WOTC!!
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
It looks like the currently successful Twin combo decks have been running 3-4 Dig.

Yeah most of the ones I've come across chose Digs over Cruises

 
Vegas10
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 posted January 19, 2015 11:15 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Vegas10 Click Here to Email Vegas10 Send a private message to Vegas10 Click to send Vegas10 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Vegas10's Have/Want ListView Vegas10's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by thror:
all good bans, all expected. very happy.

+1 will diversify the format which is needed for it to grow. going to tourneys and playing against the same few decks always gets boring.

 
coasterdude84
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 posted January 19, 2015 11:32 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for coasterdude84 Click Here to Email coasterdude84 Send a private message to coasterdude84 Click to send coasterdude84 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by thror:
all good bans, all expected. very happy.

Amen to that. I'm normally against banning cards, but I've been calling for Pod to be banned for over a year now. Glad to see it go.

 
Heresy19
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 posted January 19, 2015 12:16 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Heresy19 Click Here to Email Heresy19 Send a private message to Heresy19 Click to send Heresy19 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Heresy19's Have/Want ListView Heresy19's Have/Want List
WGD deck, here I come

Man, I used to play that deck a long time ago... finally a good reason to start legacy again

 
Pail42
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 posted January 19, 2015 02:15 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by donut888:
I just finished making my U/R Delver deck and got to play it at one tournament only. Thanks A lot WOTC!!

It's unfortunate when they ban an amazing card in your deck, but UR delver was doing well before Cruise existed.

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 posted January 19, 2015 02:23 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for iccarus Click Here to Email iccarus Send a private message to iccarus Click to send iccarus an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Heresy19:
WGD deck, here I come

Man, I used to play that deck a long time ago... finally a good reason to start legacy again

Oh man, I had an awesome old 1.5 deck that ran around Bazaar of Baghdad, WGD, and Spoils of the Vault. Loved that thing to pieces.

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 posted January 19, 2015 04:20 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Nitelite Click Here to Email Nitelite Send a private message to Nitelite Click to send Nitelite an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I'm also psyched about WGD. I use to play a Vintage WGD deck and always wanted to port it to Legacy. No Bazaar is rough though. Is there anything better than Compulsion to go through your deck during combo with?
 
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 posted January 19, 2015 04:32 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for junichi Click Here to Email junichi Send a private message to junichi Click to send junichi an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I am very skeptical that Worldgorger Dragon will make an impact. The combo requires a few pieces that are pretty much useless on their own, and the combo is extremely easy to disrupt.

Maybe people will force a deck out of it for the first few months, but I don't expect it to be a relevant deck at a consistent basis.

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 posted January 19, 2015 05:00 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Nitelite:
Is there anything better than Compulsion to go through your deck during combo with?

Goblin Lore, Burning Inquiry, Faithless Looting.

 
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I seriously don't understand the ban on Birthing Pod or Dig through Time in Modern. It seems like unbanning Deathrite Shaman makes more sense to me than all the shenanigans and hand-waving they went through. Even some of the Legacy bans don't make sense based on what I've seen and the tournament reports I've read. If diversity is the name of the game, they could've done so much more. Also, they didn't, as the OP suggested, even allow an entire year to see if the metagame would adapt. I mean how many months have we even been playing with Treasure Cruise? We're just now seeing Fate Reforged ffs.
 
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 posted January 19, 2015 06:33 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Nitelite Click Here to Email Nitelite Send a private message to Nitelite Click to send Nitelite an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
Goblin Lore, Burning Inquiry, Faithless Looting.

I don't think any of those are better than compulsion. Compulsion at least allows you to dig until you find your Oona or whatever your kill condition is.

 
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 posted January 19, 2015 07:46 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for sys41o Click Here to Email sys41o Send a private message to sys41o Click to send sys41o an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
It looks like the currently successful Twin combo decks have been running 3-4 Dig.

The running of DTT was done for two reasons. Firstly it was instant speed and helped keep up with the arms race as other decks were using Cruise and DTT. The second reason was that with DTT a Splinter Twin player could reduce the number of Splinter Twins in the deck and still find them regularly. This allowed the deck to add other main board options to diversify and not get hatted out.

With the banning of DTT the deck will just revert back to the pre-DTT lists and run 3 or 4 splinter twins instead of 2 or 3 that the current lists are running.

The banning of DTT doesn't shake up the format as much as banning Cruise does. I do agree that if Cruse went then DTT needed to go as well. However as a Twin player I certainly would have liked to see DTT stay but oh well.

The banning of pod is good for forcing the meta to diversify. I don't really think that it was over powerful but the statistics speak the truth. There was a high % of Pod variants in the meta forcing out other arch-types.

I was kind of surprised that the troll was the only card unbanned.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Nitelite:
I'm also psyched about WGD. I use to play a Vintage WGD deck and always wanted to port it to Legacy. No Bazaar is rough though. Is there anything better than Compulsion to go through your deck during combo with?

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Pail42
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quote:
Originally posted by Nitelite:
I don't think any of those are better than compulsion. Compulsion at least allows you to dig until you find your Oona or whatever your kill condition is.

Sorry, I missed the "during combo" part of your post. My cards are not useful for that.

 

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