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B14ckM4g3
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 posted February 16, 2015 01:12 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for B14ckM4g3 Click Here to Email B14ckM4g3 Send a private message to B14ckM4g3 Click to send B14ckM4g3 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
So I've been discussing this scenario with several people, and have gotten quite a vary of responses. I would like to ask yourselves this question as well. Please, try to be civil to one another as one persons opinion may not agree with yours. No opinions are wrong (and the people I have asked so far range from L1-L3 judges, Pro tour winners and casuals) and no two have been the same.
So here it is:

What if, for a period of 6-12 months, wizards unbanned every card in modern?

How would you feel?
What are your concerns?
Is it overall a positive or negative move?
Why???

Thank you for sharing!

[Edited 1 times, lastly by B14ckM4g3 on February 16, 2015]

 
psyduck_dude12
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 posted February 16, 2015 10:18 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for psyduck_dude12 Click Here to Email psyduck_dude12 Send a private message to psyduck_dude12 Click to send psyduck_dude12 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View psyduck_dude12's Have/Want ListView psyduck_dude12's Have/Want List
Modern would feel like legacy. Take stoneblade or bug most of those cards are modern prints. It would be a watered down legacy since you would have to use shocks instead of duals.

I think the bannings have kept the format healthy (this is coming from a player who finished jund 2 weeks before banning and pod the day before banning).

 
LandDestroyer
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quote:
Originally posted by psyduck_dude12:
Modern would feel like legacy. Take stoneblade or bug most of those cards are modern prints. It would be a watered down legacy since you would have to use shocks instead of duals.

I think the bannings have kept the format healthy (this is coming from a player who finished jund 2 weeks before banning and pod the day before banning).

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Tim05
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 posted February 16, 2015 12:48 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Tim05 Click Here to Email Tim05 Send a private message to Tim05 Click to send Tim05 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Tim05's Have/Want ListView Tim05's Have/Want List
You'd probably end up seeing 3 or so decks as the only decks that would be able to place. I like the format with the bannings.
 
dfitzg88
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quote:
Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
What if, for a period of 6-12 months, wizards unbanned every card in modern?

How would you feel?
What are your concerns?
Is it overall a positive or negative move?
Why???

Thank you for sharing!

I'd be bothered by having to always think about the turn 3 kills in the format while brewing. "I can't play this because it doesn't have an answer to a turn 3 ascension kill AND shoal infect kill AND hypergenesis kill etc etc etc."

Any card on the list that doesn't lead to a turn 3 kill doesnt bother me at all.

 
psyduck_dude12
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 posted February 16, 2015 01:08 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for psyduck_dude12 Click Here to Email psyduck_dude12 Send a private message to psyduck_dude12 Click to send psyduck_dude12 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View psyduck_dude12's Have/Want ListView psyduck_dude12's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by dfitzg88:
I'd be bothered by having to always think about the turn 3 kills in the format while brewing. "I can't play this because it doesn't have an answer to a turn 3 ascension kill AND shoal infect kill AND hypergenesis kill etc etc etc."

Any card on the list that doesn't lead to a turn 3 kill doesnt bother me at all.

thats actually a good point, there are cards like force of will and wasteland in legacy to help slow down a T3 kill, but in modern the variants are too week which would actually make it less fun.

 
gaeacradle
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 posted February 16, 2015 09:14 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for gaeacradle Click Here to Email gaeacradle Send a private message to gaeacradle Click to send gaeacradle an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by psyduck_dude12:
thats actually a good point, there are cards like force of will and wasteland in legacy to help slow down a T3 kill, but in modern the variants are too week which would actually make it less fun.

Yeah. There aren't even Daze in Modern either. All we have is Pact of Negation (and you'll lose next turn) or the blue Shoal (blanking on the name right now).

 
Animosity
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LOL I have been saying it at my local store for months. Lets a total storm happen and then ban accordingly. Would be interesting. I wouldn't let it got for more then 3 months and expect emergency bans. Would be a really sweet train wreck to watch.
 
chaos021
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quote:
Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Yeah. There aren't even Daze in Modern either. All we have is Pact of Negation (and you'll lose next turn) or the blue Shoal (blanking on the name right now).

There would be Mental Misstep with the unbannings.

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thror
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misstep isnt going to stop anything but the hyper aggro decks though. the 1 drops from combo would be cantrips and maybe rite of flame.

it does slow down infect i suppose. maybe.
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bigballashotcaller
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The entire format would revolve around fast combo, Punishing Fires, and CounterTop decks with pretty bonkers kill conditions. It would be fun for people who like degenerate decks (think 'Old Extended' feel), but not very fun for people who like attacking with creatures and trying to get 'value' from Lingering Souls.

EDIT: I would enjoy it, but I suspect that most people wouldn't, and it would be a massive overall net negative.

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Rabid Wo1f
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
There would be Mental Misstep with the unbannings.

he was thinking disrupting shoal with his comment.

 
LandDestroyer
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Mental Mistep was printed during my 6 year break from magic. When i first saw the card upon coming back I was like "holy sht! this must be a 4 of in everything".

is that how it was in modern?
i have to assume for sure in legacy but what about modern and i guess legacy?

 
Pail42
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 posted February 17, 2015 07:20 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
Mental Mistep was printed during my 6 year break from magic. When i first saw the card upon coming back I was like "holy sht! this must be a 4 of in everything".

is that how it was in modern?
i have to assume for sure in legacy but what about modern and i guess legacy?

It was banned when modern became sanctioned to allow for aggro decks to exist. It was banned after one B&R cycle in legacy because it just made more blue decks (they hoped it would fight blue in legacy)

http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/161b

 
wayne
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 posted February 18, 2015 06:04 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for wayne Click Here to Email wayne Send a private message to wayne Click to send wayne an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by thror:
misstep isnt going to stop anything but the hyper aggro decks though. the 1 drops from combo would be cantrips and maybe rite of flame.

it does slow down infect i suppose. maybe.


Every deck would play Mental Misstep, at the very least to counter opponents' Mental Missteps.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by wayne:

Every deck would play Mental Misstep, at the very least to counter opponents' Mental Missteps.

Or skullclamps...

 
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Wouldn't a better idea be to unban the cards that was never given a chance in modern play?
 

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