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Topic: Tedman's Tales, May 18: Tedman Talks Trash
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*Tedman* Member
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posted May 18, 2000 05:04 PM
Tedman's Tales Tedman Talks Trash Greetings to all of you happy members out there. In case you don't know, I am Tedman, member of MOTL and new column writer. This is my first article, in a sense, so please bear with me. My article, Tedman's Tales, is basically a frugal, eclectic medley of decks, strategy, humor, theory, tournament reports, issues, and all around tomfoolery. Today, Tedman talks trash. Now, I see a lot of people voicing their own opinions about cards. That's great. Free speech, you know. I like to see people discussing and scrutinizing cards (healthily). But sometimes, people say that a card sucks and is no good for no reason other than to make trouble, or for no reason at all. Most of the times, these people are new members who don't really know internet etiquette and posting rules, but sometimes, I see established members posting thoughtless opinions, and I think to myself "Uch." Here are a few good examples. A few weeks ago, there was a huge, sixty-something replies post thread on how Rishadan Port is bad. Yeah. You heard me. Some people actually think that Rishadan Port is a bad card. Their argument was "Rishadan Port is a bad card because you tap two lands to tap one of theirs. It's bad!" and "Why not use Icy Manipulator or Ring of Gix?" People who say that obviously have either never played against that card, or are just plain blind. My thoughts on the Port issue are these: - Rishadan Port is a land, therefore uncounterable, and can't be killed by conventional means. - It's a cheap ability, meaning that it can be used early in the game, as opposed to Rath's Edge - It can also tap for mana, which means that it's not only used for its ability Sorry to the members who bashed Port, but it is recognized as the best card in Mercadian Masques, and one of the most widely used non-basic lands in Type 2. Another example is Rath's Edge. That one discussion escalated into a full-fledged debate, with a poll on the main page. Now, I respect most peoples' decisions, but some things those people said really made me think badly of them. "Rath's Edge sucks!" "Rath's Edge is one of the worst cards in Type 2!" They didn't even back up their own opinion with an example. You know what? I can't take someone seriously who just gives their opinion without back-up. My thoughts on the Rath's Edge issue: - Again, it's a land. See Port argument - It's colorless, reusable damage. Enough said there - 1-toughness creatures are rampant in Type 2, and will be even more so when Urza's Block rotates out of Type 2. Rath's Edge may NOT be recognized as a great, pro-level card by most, it is decent, and should not be bashed incessantly. I recently saw a discussion thread about Tangle Wire. THAT was a good discussion. Nobody bashed Tangle Wire (which I consider to be one of the best cards in Nemesis) with a ridiculous argument. Everyone who posted at least thought out their response. I like that type of stuff. In conclusion, Tedman better see some good discussions in the next while, or he'll go legally insane. __________________ Shrooms: You fool! Us shrooms can't talk! Me: But you're talking to me now! Shrooms: No we aren't. My refs: classic.magictraders.com/reflists/*Tedman*.html ICQ me @ 6666836
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Yawgmoth's Lackey Member
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posted May 18, 2000 06:34 PM
Yes, Tangle Wire will be hot as well I predict, the tapping advantage is awesome, Turn 1: Them: Tap4 You: Tap2 Turn 2: them Tap3 you: tap1 well you get me... Another good card to look at is crumbling Sanctuary. __________________ cmoore@visi.net
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Lachlann Member
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posted May 18, 2000 07:22 PM
Please you guys.. Post bad arguments.. Just to make Ted go insane. Do it for me at least, because I think it would be quite humourous to see him go insane. ;D
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Fooath Member
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posted May 18, 2000 08:42 PM
umm..hmmm....grrr......I GOT IT!Rishadan port sucks! Omg, what is overrated piece of cardboard. Here, let me tap my two lands to tap your one. Look at me go. Wow! Lets go with this rath's edge piece. tap 5 lands and sac one to deal one damage. Wow, now lets see, twenty lands and 100 mana later your dead. Have you ever heard of land destruction? Duh! Maybe if you actually read what the cards did instead of copying other people's responses.
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DarkDamion Member
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posted May 19, 2000 11:27 AM
Omg Tangle Wire is the biggest piece of monkey-crap i have ever seen. I will post no back-up of why it sucks, it just sucks. I hate it. Its the biggest pile of crap.j/k of course. __________________ "Sticks and stones break my bones, but whips and chains excite me."
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*Tedman* Member
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posted May 19, 2000 11:45 AM
Sure. Make me go crazy. That just means I'll have to go on an e-killing spree .
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Jigglypuff62166 Banned
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posted May 20, 2000 08:33 PM
Port is ok. Mishra's Helix is Better! Rath's Edge is good. Shivan Gorge is Better! Tangle Wire is, well, ok. Smokestack is Better! Reasons why: Mishra's Helix Taps all of opp's land, not just 1. Rath's Edge makes you Sac a Land. Shivan Gorge Doesn't. Tangle Wire Stays around for 2 GOOD turns. Smokestack gets bigger, not smaller.__________________ "If someone owes you money, you never have to say your broke!"
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Fooath Member
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posted May 20, 2000 09:28 PM
Mishra's Helix is ok. Port is Better! Shivan Gorge is good. Rath's Edge is Better! Smokestack is, well, ok. Tangle Wire is Better! Reasons why: Mishra's Helix is 5 to cast and can be countered. Port is free and cant be. Rath's Edge can target creatures, shivan gorge cant. Tangle Wire targets your opponent, stays around for 4 turns, hurts them FAR more then you. Smokestack hurts you and doesnt slow them down that much, as well as taking a while to get going.Touche.
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gh0stface Member
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posted May 20, 2000 09:39 PM
ugh! When i read Jigglypuff62166's post I thought it was a joke.I'm glad Fooath cleared things up __________________ gh0stface's Reflist One injustice starts a thousand riots. One law stops a thousand crimes. One thought opens a thousand eyes. One sun brings a thousand dawns. My family protects all families. Scan of my Best Cards as of 5/15/2000
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Fooath Member
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posted May 21, 2000 12:41 AM
Yep. I just had to tell you all what that pokemon lover really thought!!!
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King Masticore Member
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posted May 21, 2000 08:49 AM
I think Port is a great card, but it's not wroth 18$ (or something like that) . Port's tapping ability is no good in late game, and sometimes you draw 2 ports and no other land in your opening hand. And Dust Bowl destroys port, which my opinion is better card than Rishadan Port. And why people keep thinking that Shivan Gorge is better card than Rath's Edge? 1) Gorge needs one red mana, so it only fits in deck that uses red. 2) Gorge doesn't target creatures, Edge does. 3) And yes, Edge needs you to sac a land, but is that a big price for killing that Dawnstider, Ball Lightning, Thermal Glider, or anything else 1-toughness creature that kills you soon? -Pekka
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DarkDamion Member
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posted May 21, 2000 10:06 AM
Well another input by the Prince of Darkness.Its kinda funny for ppl who say Helix is better than Port. Granted im a big fan of both, but Port is better early game, Helix is better late game, that simple. Rath's Edge vs Shivan Gorge. Gorge doesnt target creatures and costs 1 red with the cost. Edge deals to creatures(Big advantage). And i dont see how you say Smokestack is better than Wire. Wire has a 4 to 2 advantage 1st turn in play, then a 3 to 1, then a 2 to 0, and so on. __________________ "Sticks and stones break my bones, but whips and chains excite me." My ref list: http://classic.magictraders.com/reflists/DarkDamion.html Interested in DBZ. Click here: http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001147.html [This message has been edited by DarkDamion (edited 05-21-2000).]
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TemptingElf Member
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posted May 21, 2000 11:45 AM
How can you compare Tangle Wire with Smokestack? They both serve completely different purposes. And Fooath, Smokestack is much better than just "okay".
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Fooath Member
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posted May 21, 2000 02:07 PM
heh, I just took jiggly's post and moved the names around.. ...and changed reasons. But I still think it is just ok.
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electrobee Banned
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posted May 22, 2000 10:01 AM
actually,this article is reasonable and this dosen't look like a trash after all!!!
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