Vegeta2711

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Originally posted by Iguanaonastick:
I don't expect this to effect you. I don't even expect that you've visited the United States. So please, try and understand that our whole nation is downtrodden or dead, and that is a scary sight for obese, happy, carefree Americans like us. I believe Iakae explained the moment of silence well. If you find the moment of silence to be pointless, than I expect that you are also disconnected from much of society. Perhaps the moment of silence isn't popular in Finland, but it has a lot of meaning here in the US. I would like to know, do you hate Americans? If you don't want to get flamed by dozens of people, please email me @ Compute102@AOL.com. I hope that you can see that I'm a bit more level-headed than some of these people.

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In fact we did have a moment of silence here in Finland, even though no Finnish people died in the attack, though many people found it hypocritical and didn't have it. Where was the moment of silence when there were atrocities going on in Rwanda or Tienanmen..

Some of you said that terrorism is not evil. I cannot even begin to relate myself with such a statement.

I simply do not understand with people who want to side with a bunch of mass murderers who in their selfish attitudes of making the world address to their problems kill innocent lives.

This is supposed to be the 21st Century! The age of communication. You don't slam planes into towers and make it sound like a phone call. There are countless ways to express your views and opinions where it does not involve killing.

Innocent lives died there!!! People who were not even connected to politics or the military. How can that be construed as a just act!!

Imagine somebody just kills the person that you love and hold dear most, simply because he wanted to prove a point. Would you go and shake his hand and say "point taken". Are you gonna say "well done you did the RIGHT thing!"

*For Trnothr*

As for Trnothr...well what is there to say. I admire your tenacity and courage to hold on to your opinions so strongly. However I also have to admit that in your quest in searching for other people's weaknesses (spelling n all) you have revealed your own sense of idiocy.

I will try to answer your dillemmas as objectively as I can.

*Your Question On How Can MTG Relate To The Crash*

It doesnt. Period MTG has nothing to do with the crash. But I can see what Igunaonastick was trying to say. If you had read in between the lines instead of the literal meanings in his post...you would not have so fast been labelled with ridicule.

It simply meant to look at things differently. Sure we have our day to day problems. We lose magic cards (sorry Ted), we lose money, we get ourselves into trouble and who knows what kind of crap we get ourselves into. But when we reflect on the tragedy and compare it with our day to day lives (i.e our magic games), they would seem mediocre on what took place. If you want a word its called empathy, to step into one's shoe and wear it.

*Your Question on What's The Big Deal On Death*

Let me ask you one question.
Do You Know The Meaning of Life?
Have You Seen Life Coming Into Existence?
If not how would you know that death isnt a big deal?

Lets just look at life as the beginning of a journey. A journey that nevertheless may or may not be easy. For most of us I believe it was never easy. However we all have our moments of happiness.

When someone dies, his journey ends. He no longer exists among the people who he has journeyed with. Death ends that journey.

Yes I acknowledge that everyday people die and henceforth it may not sound as a big deal to you. But it is a big deal to those people who have lived and cherished moments together with those that have died. It is not the act of dying that is a big deal. It is undeniably the sense of loss that makes death a big deal.

That sense of loss is second nature to us because we are humans. And humans respond and react with emotion. Robots cannot do so because they have no emotion. And your explanation of thinking about computer games at funerals give an inclination that maybe, just maybe that you have lost that sense of emotion.

*Your Question To Whats The Point In Mourning For The Victims of The Crash*

iakae has already answered this question somewhat in a way that I agree.

You said why should we mourn when we can do something more constructive about it. Well I'll let you know that the entire world is doing that as well as mourn for the victims. Blood banks are set up, donations and funds and such in case you didnt notice.

We mourn for many reasons. There is no one answer for such a question. For those who were related to the victims, they mourn because they have lost someone dear to them.

For us who are thousands of miles away, we mourn because of our beliefs. A majority of our beliefs go towards where we feel innocent lives were killed and we pray and hope that recurrences would not occur.

For others maybe they could relate themselves to such senseless killing. Maybe their loved ones had suffered a similar fate in years gone by.

Whatever the case, we mourn because we are humans that have been born and bred with emotion.

Imagine a world without emotion. Better yet imagine a world where no one cares. Do you want to live in such a world?

*This is my own personal opinion*

To rant on about the uselessness and pointlessness of efforts directed where many human lives were lost just because of your own misgivings is a very sad way of looking at things and giving opinions on them.

Not only does it reflect your mental state (You have almost made yourself clear that you do not care about the lives that revolve your world) it bends your judgement of things however strongly you believe in them.

In doing so, you prove yourself wrong and hastily make yourself an outsider. I strongly recommend that you see a therapist. I fear many people will not agree with the way you view life as it is, if you must, maybe its for the best that you keep them to yourself.

Perhaps it is a time for reflection...

aucklandtrader.

I personally agree with a few things he has said. Rather than quelching in sadness, why not do something productive?
10,000 people died. How many people die from AID's, Cancer, and Heart Disease each year? A lot more. Fix immidiate problems, such as those and deal with terroism later. To me, the bettering of society is what is best, not the killing of others to "better" a country.

Wouldn't it be great if America made a cure for all of these problems and left something positive for other humans? Instead of killing others and causeing negitivity.

The only purpose in life, is to reproduce and better society, not kill off people.

Oh, and Trnothr has a very valid point... Everyone is gonna die someday, the only thing that varies is how.

If it weren't for the U.S., Britain would be goose-stepping and eating Bratwurst. End of story. The Battle of Britain wouldn't have been won without American aircraft. The importing of food to Britain couldn't have been done without the American Liberty Ships. So the least Trnthor could do is show a little sympathy to those who lost their friends, spouses, siblings, parents, offspring, or other relations.

Trnthor is obviously in poor mental health. If he doesn't give a flying flip that his father died, he certainly has either unhappy or clouded memories of him. Trnthor believes that "no one will miss me if I'm gone." This is a text book example of being suicidal. There is no reason for him to think that. Methinks that he comes to the argument time and time again because he feels that if he were to die right now, it would at least affect someone.

Also, Preacher, you're partially right. Those tragedies deserved a moment of silence. But do two wrongs make a right?

Firestarter: You make a point of saying we should fix diseases, then go after terrorists. We can do both at once. We're not going to send out scientists to hunt down bin Ladin. We're sending soldiers. There are thousands of scientists trying to come up with cures for cancer, AIDS, HIV, Hepotitus C, and other killers.

And Trnthor, one last thing. Only half of the nine million who died in the Holocaust were Jews.

That's all I have to say, and God Bless America.

Idol, you make it sound as if US was the only country helping in Kosovo or that US was the only country that mattered or that you gained nothing from the conflicts etc. etc., leaving out all the negative conflicts and unsuccesful campaigns. You know as well as I do (at least I hope so, the alternative is distasteful) that this is not the case.

To my knowledge, the only reason why we all "aren't eating bratwurst" is the fact that in the end Hitler screwed up and went into war on two fronts. Germany got immense losses when the fight on Soviet ground took a lot longer than he had thought, and the supply lines weren't good enough to feed the troops when cold, mainland winter came on them. If Hitler had continued to bomb England with all strength instead of going after Stalin as well, any help from USA wouldn't had made a difference. Oh, and would you care to explain how it matters if "only half of the people who died in holocaust" were jews? I don't care who they were, I only use these examples to point out holes in your (plural) logic. And to me it seems like you're the one who's bitching, not me. Be glad that your childish insults were directed at me, that way you'll more likely go unpunished for swearing (which IS forbidden on MOTL, believe it or not).

Also, how can you compare "eating babies" etc. to not caring? I don't interfere with other people's lives nor do I promote suffering, yet all those acts you described belong into those categories. I suggest you think properly before you post the next time.

AND SPELL MY FREAKIN' NAME RIGHT.

Obviously you don't know your history too well; Hitler was winning the war up until his Field Marshalls screwed up. He would have been back to England if the U.S. hadn't stationed the 8th Airforce there. The Russians were defending themselves with just the old and the overly young; if reinforcements had been sent to Stalingrad or Leningrad on time, the Germans would have won there, too.

And I'll say your name right when you say my name right. It's IdOl, not Idol.

I will only respond to Trnothor if he directly insults me again. I'm glad I'm not like him.

One more thing. The reason I point out "eating babies" as an example is because:
a) it's a point that most people disaprove of (like not giving a c*** for 6,330 people left dead) and
b) it shows as much regard for human life as you're statements.

Vegeta2711

"What the heck is he talking about?" Right?

One of the things that I have always found rather cool about MTG (and other "child to adult spaning games, including RPGs - real ones, not video games calling themselves RPGs - table top combat simulations, etc) is the lack of judgement based upon appearance.

Okay, sure, we've seen more of it as the game has gotten bigger. However, a great deal of us really just want someone to play with us. It really doesn't seem to matter how big these games get, we are still always looking for a new player - whether this be for competition, friendship or whatever. Because of this (and far sighted game companies) we have people from the US to the UK to China and back again playing the SAME game. And if you ran into one of these players from another country who spoke a different langauge and had a few rather odd, to you, cultural habits, would you diss him? I doubt it. More likely you'd be like - "Wanna play game?"

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Oh and Vegeta, does that last thing you said mean that if I find enough people who don't like you or what you said, I have every right to call you with names, flame you and spam your email addresses? I think not.

Vegeta2711