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TheFireStarter
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posted October 09, 2001 12:41 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for TheFireStarter Send a private message to TheFireStarter Click to send TheFireStarter an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Blue White control, is thought to be dead. Losing the very important Story Circle was a large hit to the deck, yet nowhere near close to unrecoverable. The deck has not lost its large control factor after Odyssey rotated in... It has gained a new form of control if anything. Kill cards have changed and new counters have been introduced to the deck.
Many underrated, or unplayed cards can now see a home in this deck. 7th edition has brought stars to the game, which have not been seen in a while. Theiving Magpie, Gerrard's Wisdom, and even Reprisal now have a place in one of the best T2 decks.
Here is a draft of the U/W deck I am currently playing:
//NAME: UWControl
4 Absorb
4 Counterspell
4 Syncopate
3 Divert
2 Mahamoti Djinn
3 Thieving Magpie
3 Fact or Fiction
2 Dismantling Blow
2 Gerrard's Wisdom
4 Standstill
2 Rout
3 Wrath of God
4 Coastal Tower
4 Adarkar Wastes
10 Island
6 Plains
SB: 3 Aegis of Honor
SB: 4 Disenchant
SB: 1 Gerrard's Wisdom
SB: 3 Reprisal
SB: 4 Standard Bearer
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Counter Base:
4 Absorb
4 Counterspell
4 Syncopate
3 Divert

Absorb, on a normal basis proves to be just as good, if not better than Counterspell. Though it requires WUU to cast, 8 dual lands make casting cost requirements quite easy to meet. Counterspell, needs no explanation as a counter. Syncopate provides a spot for the only other card that can counter second turn (not including Prohibit). Syncopate is a great replacement for Power Sink, which rotated with 7th edition. It is also a great defense against Flashback cards and having your opponent reach Threshold. Divert is the only questionable counter in the deck. In MBC and T2 Misdirection has proven its usefulness. A cheaper and more efficent (Casting Cost and Card Advantage) card is a great replacement for Divert.
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Miscellaneous:
3 Fact or Fiction
2 Gerrard's Wisdom
4 Standstill
2 Rout
3 Wrath of God
2 Dismantling Blow

Fact or Fiction is the strongest card drawing in current T2 and definitely deserves a place in U/WControl. Standstill, is the second best card drawing in T2, and the best in Odyssey Block (For now). Standstill allows for card advantage, which leads to winning with control decks. Playing land turn after turn while gaining counters with a Control deck is always VERY good. Even if your opponent casts a spell during your discard phase, "Brainstorming" is never bad, when even when you lose 1-3 cards to gain better ones. Wrath/Rout count, is 3/2 and works perfectly. Casting a Wrath of God turn 4 is not always needed, while casting an Instant Rout is good late game. Both cards have their own level of usefulness in a game, but prove good at any point. The only questionable Miscellaneous card in the deck is Gerrard's Wisdom. Gerrard's Wisdom allows a player to win vs beatdown, while it is not as good vs Control. Wisdom has proved its usefulness in both matchups and should be in most every White deck that has trouble vs creatures. Dismantling Blow works well vs Prison and that is all that matters.
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Creature Base:
2 Mahamoti Djinn
3 Thieving Magpie

The creature base is small for one good reason; my five Mass Creature removal cards. Some people would argue that Meddling Mage is a better creature choice for the deck. The only problem with Mage, is that if I am FORCED to cast a Wrath or Rout the turn after I play it, it gives me a card disadvantage, where as Magpie cancels out disadvantage. If Ophidian was in this format, I would still play Magpie over it (even though it is better), because of the amount of Fliers compared to Non-Fliers. Mahamoti are played because they are game (or close to) as soon as they hit the board.
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Land Base:
4 Coastal Tower
4 Adarkar Wastes
10 Island
6 Plains

The 8 Dual lands are currently the best answers to mana problems. Basic lands… do not need an explanation. I do not play the new Filter lands because I am not able to counter with double U on turn 2.
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Sideboard:
SB: 2 Aegis of Honor
SB: 3 Disenchant
SB: 1 Gerrard's Wisdom
SB: 3 Reprisal
SB: 4 Standard Bearer
SB: 2 Sacred Ground

As you can probably see from my sideboard, I mostly fear Kicked Urza's Rage and Prison. Standard Bearer is probably one of the most overlooked Tech creatures in T2. It not only cancels Opposition but it also hurts Enchant Creature cards, Urza's Rage, and other annoyances. The only other questionable card in the sideboard is Reprisal. I played Reprisal during UBC T2 and I am happy to say it has killed more Masticores than the amount of fingers and toes on my hand and feet added up. Spiritmonger, Mahamoti, and Deselation Angel are all new targets for the best White spot removal in T2.

All and All, U/W Control is still alive and kicking. Expect to see it as a Teir 1 deck sometime soon.

-Naim


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[Edited 1 times, lastly by TheFireStarter on October 20, 2001]

 
iakae
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quote:
Originally posted by TheFireStarter:
Blue White control, is thought to be dead.

Out of curiosity, who said THAT? In testing for States, I've seen at least half a dozen different U/W Control decks, and obviously not a lot of the tools for the deck rotated out with the Masques Block. If you add in versions utilizing a third color, then I've seen over a dozen designs running around.

 
*Tedman*
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posted October 09, 2001 03:45 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for *Tedman* Click Here to Email *Tedman* Send a private message to *Tedman* Click to send *Tedman* an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
iakae, Blue/White control in its purest and most original form is dead and has been dead for months. Of course, I'm not accounting for Probe-Go, Gomar/Nomar, Trenches and other variants, but just plain Blue/White isn't a popular option any more.

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iakae
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posted October 09, 2001 04:12 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for iakae Click Here to Email iakae Send a private message to iakae Click to send iakae an Instant MessageVisit iakae's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I have to strongly disagree with you there, Ted. With a completely unestablished metagame in the new Standard, many players are seeking U/W Control because it hardly loses a thing from the rotation. Conversations about it have been running around fiercing in the Midwest, and I'm sure that my little playground isn't the only chunk of the world that is redesigning it. I admit that it isn't covered as much in articles as the newer archetypes revolving around Odyssey, but that's only natural when a new set is released. Hell, R/G wasn't discussed much around States last year, with most people assuming that it died with Angry/No Hermit, and it appeared with a vengence in the form of Fires. Just because things change does NOT mean that it's dead.

On the topic of the article, however, that's a very solid decklist that you posted, TheFireStarter, and a nice synapsis.

 
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posted October 09, 2001 06:05 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for TheFireStarter Send a private message to TheFireStarter Click to send TheFireStarter an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by iakae:
On the topic of the article, however, that's a very solid decklist that you posted, TheFireStarter, and a nice synapsis.

Muhahah, less talk, more playtesting Iakae. I was gonna write an article on Sqirrel Opp, but I saw *Tedman*'s and I haven't playtested it enough. I must say though the deck is very nice and fun to play, but it may not be the best deck in the enviorment (though it wrecks creature based decks).

Oh, and on the topic of U/W Control being dead, I have heard many people bitching about "It sucks now, Story Circle isn't in anymore". I just like to smile at them and think "No cards have left the deck... its still some good".

synapsis: The junction across which a nerve impulse passes to a nuron or other cell
synopsis: A general brief outline or general view, as of a written work.

You confused me, till I got the trusty ole' dictionary.
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iakae
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quote:
Originally posted by TheFireStarter:
Muhahah, less talk, more playtesting Iakae.

Ugh, no, I'm playing the frigging U/W Control matchup again. I'm sick of testing the thing. Heck, I've been playing various incarnations of it for over a year already, and pretty much only Story Circle is gone. Too much repetition makes for stale gameplay.

Besides, I'm able to beat down with a flying Hippo in my States deck, so I'd say that's just a wee bit more fun than U/W Control.

 
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posted October 11, 2001 11:06 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for rpitcher Send a private message to rpitcher Click to send rpitcher an Instant MessageVisit rpitcher's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 

Hey, nice article Firestarter.

Your Reprisals really caught my eye, as I too consider it an excellent sideboard card in this style of deck (expecially with Blastoderm leaving the format). Good job :o)

I'm concerned about Fat Moti as a win condition though. The mana cost is frightening with no alternate casting cost countermagic spells around (that's been said by others 100 times, I know). I don't know what the answer is, but my testing tells me it is NOT Millstone LOL.

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Euthyphro
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Hey, great article, definitely. But for what it's worth, in regards to your topic, I assume you're quoting the Simpsons? If so, it's "Mable" not "Maple". Just thought I'd nitpick on one tiny thing, thanks
 
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posted October 13, 2001 03:59 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for TheFireStarter Send a private message to TheFireStarter Click to send TheFireStarter an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Euthyphro:
Hey, great article, definitely. But for what it's worth, in regards to your topic, I assume you're quoting the Simpsons? If so, it's "Mable" not "Maple". Just thought I'd nitpick on one tiny thing, thanks


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Euthyphro
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Mary Poppins? Noo, Sherry Bobbins!


*Couldn't think of the exact quote on this one

 
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not bad naim.. but run grammar check next time ;-)

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You got the quote wrong. It is: So i says to mable i says.
 

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