Terravore costs 3 mana; magnivore costs 4. This means, all things being equal, that I cast terravore one turn earlier and he can attack on the same turn that the magnivore that you just summoned the next turn.

As for Wild Mongrel, if you have 3 sorceries and 3 land in hand, which should you be thowing away? In all likelihood, the land is pretty useless; the sorceries on the other hand can be used in the same or subsequent rounds to, guess what, destroy more lands and make terravore much bigger. If you count all of the potential cards that can affect magnivore and terravore in both decks, you'll see that you're going to have WAY more total lands than total sorceries.

Sugarv,

I think that you may need some more DD than just Fire/Ice and Earthquake. Consider: if your opponent goes first and lays a forest and a Bird. What do you do on your turn? With the deck that you outlined above, nothing. If you had firebolt (a sorcery by the way), you could kill the bird. Without that first turn kill, your opponent might lay another land the next turn, cast Wild Mongrel, throw out Irridescent Angel (or other fattie), and cast Life/Death. Game over for you!!

It wins if i get quick ld multiple times, and losts if i don't...

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1.) I would rather have haste than trample in most circumstances as not only is the opponent surprised by a very large creature, it's also attacking the same turn.

2.) However, Terravore is still good as I can pitch land to make him bigger. In other words, I pitch whatever is most effective and intelligent given the circumstances.

3.) Fire/Ice is coming out. Firebolt is going in. I've had Fire/Ice sitting in my hand too many times. Plus, Firebolt is a sorcery and it has flashback. (With Recoup, Firebolt gets ugly!)

4.) One sideboard issue is Tranquility. White weenie is a big problem when it effectively has 4 or 5 Glorious Anthems on the table. Hull Breach and Creeping Mold aren't fast enough. Tranqulity needs to be there to take all of them out.

5.) Earthquake also sits in my hand too many times. I'm cutting down on them.

6.) Thornscape Familiars are going in. I like the fact that they make all of my LD cheaper and they are the only familiar that swings for 2!

This multiple revision version should be good in nearly any matchup.

4 Stone Rain
4 Pillage
4 Creeping Mold
2 Tremble
2 Implode
2 Recoup
1 Earthquake
3 Firebolt
3 Magnivore
2 Terravore
3 Wild Mongrel
2 Thornscape Familiar
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Karplusan Forest
8 Mountain
8 Forest

Sidboard:
4 Price of Glory
3 Hull Breach
3 Molten Influence
3 Tranquility
2 Thornscape Familiar

Again, I'll continue testing this and let you all know how it works out.
Cheers,

i think that beat down is more important

destroy your enemy's land is a method to control

so if u destroy his/her lands in first 2-3
turns and play a big creature like shivan wurm..........so i'll only ad 12 land killer
in my deck:>
4 Stone Rain
4 Pillage
4 Creeping Mold
and others are big creatures

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Originally posted by sugarv:

3.) Fire/Ice is coming out. Firebolt is going in. I've had Fire/Ice sitting in my hand too many times. Plus, Firebolt is a sorcery and it has flashback. (With Recoup, Firebolt gets ugly!)

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How does recoup + firebolt = ugly? You're only saving 2 mana by casting recoup on the firebolt rather than paying its built-in flashback cost. I figure that recoup would be better used on some of your land d spells.

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1) Trelocke, what problems do you have with Mono-colored decks? They never color-screw, they are deadly-consistant, and loads better than most other builds. Especially mono-blue.

2) D1G1T4LR0NK: it would be awefully hard to cast a Magnivore during your combat phase.

3) David Jou: The pro-green creature would effectively stop the Terravore. Trample states that the creature deals lethal damage to the blocking creature(s) and then proceeds to deal it's damage to the player. But with protection from green, the trampler can never deal combat damage to the creature as the damage is reduced to zero, and so the creature doesn't get dealt any (let alone lethal) damage, so the player takes no damage and the creature absorbs it all.

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(3) David Jou: The pro-green creature would effectively stop the Terravore. Trample states that the creature deals lethal damage to the blocking creature(s) and then proceeds to deal it's damage to the player. But with protection from green, the trampler can never deal combat damage to the creature as the damage is reduced to zero, and so the creature doesn't get dealt any (let alone lethal) damage, so the player takes no damage and the creature absorbs it all.

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Hmm, I think you may want to read up on the trample ability.

This is from the comprehensive rules:

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502.9e Assigning damage from a creature with trample considers only the actual toughness of a
blocking creature, not any abilities or effects that might change the final amount of
damage dealt.

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The rest of the damage will spill over to the defending player.

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The problem I have with Mono-colored decks is that they, in my experience, are fairly easy to hurt. Any half prepared player should be able to have a fairly easy time with mono-colored decks, especially after sideboarding. Yeah, I know there are plenty of people who disagree with me, but it's my opinion.

Now, a little more on the deck at hand. After playtesting against several versions of this deck, I'm not so scared of this deck anymore. Yeah, it's a good deck, but control still beats it fairly consistantly. Divert is just a mean card, Duress can usually pull out the early LD threat and Fire/Ice is deadly on the mana producers. That's been my initial impression in my playtesting. It's good, it's fast and it's fun when it works, but I'll hang onto my U/B/R.

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Originally posted by sugarv:

A)- (With Recoup, Firebolt gets ugly!)

B)- Thornscape Familiars are going in. I like the fact that they make all of my LD cheaper and they are the only familiar that swings for 2!

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B - you are welcome for the suggestion.

The main flaw in Ponza is dealing with two specific cards--Call of the Herd and Flametongue Kavu. The deck has trouble dealing with fast 3/3's as all of the burn is for 2 points of damage. 3 Urza's Rage in the sideboard just wasn't enough. Also, Flametongue Kavu killed me too many times. I hated dropping a Magnivore or Mongrel only to see a Flametongue take it out as I frantically dug for a Firebolt.

The deck as I played it at states was:

4 Stone Rain
4 Pillage
4 Creeping Mold
2 Earth Rift
2 Implode
3 Thornscape Familiar
4 Wild Mongrel
3 Magnivore
1 Shivan Wurm
2 Terravore
4 Llanowar Elves
4 Birds of Paradise
3 Firebolt
8 Mountain
8 Forest
4 Karplusan Forest

Sideboard:
4 Price of Glory
3 Urza's Rage
3 Pyroclasm
2 Tranquility
3 Hull Breach

Obviously, I was unprepared for the decks that showed most prominently. After reevaluating the situation I have come up with a new Ponza deck but it is wildly different from this build, but better suited to the probable environment. Check it out in my new article.

Signing off on this post,

Lava blister doesn't work...

I will post a deck list when I get it at home.

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Originally posted by Valmtg:
I'd go Mono red with all Sorceries... Bring in the Savage Firekitties for added flavor.

I beat God with my version of Ponza. It was great Goddess vs. God = 2:1

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cuz i'm GoD

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