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r0cheb0y
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posted November 28, 2001 02:22 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for r0cheb0y Click Here to Email r0cheb0y Send a private message to r0cheb0y Click to send r0cheb0y an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Hello. Although not my legal first name(it is my last name) my name is roche. I live in New Jersey, and go to a Private, Catholic school. I play magic, I have been playing since unlimited, and i love the game, i really do, the use of the mind and just overall fun level of the game is what I am into. One thing I am not into, is the use of it as a scapegoat for various things.

I know this has been a popular topic of many articles, but i would like to give my take of it. Before I said i go to a catholic school. Obviously I beleive in God as the Messiah, and practice so forth. Now as we all know magic has its Characters, demons and goblins etc. This aspect of the game has made it so MTG has been banned from both the grammer school i went to, and the high school I go to now. This is because it supposivly reflects the image of Satan and Voodoo as a right thing to do, an ok idea. I myself do not look at it that way, nor do i think MTG players like Budde,Finkel or Zvi do.

From a personal expierence I had today. A friend of mine "Bob"(for private sakes) is not a close personal friend of mine, but I know him nonetheless. He plays MTG, we playtest,have fun, party and workout together. Now I know alot about Bob and I his family, i even date Bob's sister for heaven's sake,but I did not know Bob used drugs. As found out today, Bob has used them for a decent time. Now usually to me, this would mean i either cut communications with Bob or try to help his problem.

As i said before, Bob plays MTG, and when the found his drugs, they found a MTG deck. Now when the police saw this, I am told by a reliable source, they said they added 2 and 2 and said the game was what lead him to the drugs and maybe further actions in the future.

I dont know about all of you, but I dont like this story,even though I indirectly a part of it. MTG is a game, and games are meant for fun and entertainment. Many a game have goblins and demons etc, but none of them get a bad rap for violence,drugs,other crimes etc.

So why does MTG?

roche.

 
flam flawless
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posted November 28, 2001 02:50 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for flam flawless Click Here to Email flam flawless Send a private message to flam flawless Click to send flam flawless an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View flam flawless's Have/Want ListView flam flawless's Have/Want List
Nice article. Too bad about your buddy, though.

I think for the most part, people are scared about what they don't know. So to point fingers without knowing what they're talking about is the easiest thing to do. Since MTG like you said deals with goblins/demons and the like, it's a natural for religious people especially (not being prejudice) to relate MTG to devilish acts.

It's the same thing as people blaming music for their sons'/daughters' deaths. Remember the Marilyn Manson ordeal? Kid shoots himself, parents sue Marilyn because one of his songs has the lyrics:

"shoot, shoot, shoot <insert word>, shoot, shoot..."

Because of that line is the reason why they tried to point the finger at Marilyn, when they should have looked no further than the parents.

If people would only ask and try to understand why people are interested in certain things that are considered "weird" or "the work of the devil" with an open mind, maybe one day Magic won't be looked at through hated eyes.

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by flam flawless on November 28, 2001]

 
iakae
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posted November 28, 2001 03:03 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for iakae Click Here to Email iakae Send a private message to iakae Click to send iakae an Instant MessageVisit iakae's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by r0cheb0y:
I myself do not look at it that way, nor do i think MTG players like Budde,Finkel or Zvi do.

Budde's made a pact with SOME dark force, because no human could win this much.

Seriously, though, Magic will always be a scapegoat because most people simply don't want to take responsibility for their actions. Magic, music, movies, television...isn't it much easier to blame these things for what your children do rather than pointing the finger at yourself?

Very sad, but unfortunately a fact of modern society, a society that teaches people that they can't possibly be wrong themselves.

 
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posted November 28, 2001 03:26 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Trnothr Click Here to Email Trnothr Send a private message to Trnothr Click to send Trnothr an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Ooh, German people have tendency to win a lot when they get rolling... and then lose. Anyone remember Hitler?

Seriously though, people blaming others for their own faults is a sad fact. I know I do it sometimes, but generally try to stray away from it... stupid people who do it continuously really make me mad... and that's partly why I'm always eager to "punish" people for acting stupid, hoping to force seeds of thinking into their minds. Yes, I know I shouldn't etc., but I can't help myself. Ignorant people are worse to me than a red clothing is to a bull (figure of speech, bulls are colourblind).

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r0cheb0y
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posted November 28, 2001 03:47 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for r0cheb0y Click Here to Email r0cheb0y Send a private message to r0cheb0y Click to send r0cheb0y an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
am glad to see people feel the way i do, and just for an update, my friend is now in jail on drug charges i believe, dont quote me though.


roche.

P.S. i would like feedback on my writing as well, i just want to know if it was well written, etc.

 
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posted December 04, 2001 02:20 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Blazing_Specter13 Send a private message to Blazing_Specter13 Click to send Blazing_Specter13 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Well, it was well written, IMO. Sorry to hear about you friend. It saddens me to think about people who use drugs to "escape" from the pressures of everyday life instead of dealing with it.

But, Magic (or anything that parents, teachers, police, etc. don't understand.) has been a scapegoat for as long as I can remember (and I've been playing since Alpha.). People who don't play, and don't understand it because they don't agree with the game, like to blame everything on it.

It happens with everything, music, video games, television, you name it, someone will find a way to play pass the blame with it. I was blessed in the sense that when I started playing, my parents were understanding enough to let me make my own judgement about the game.

I have a friend (who happens to be a few years younger than me and lives with his mother) who's mother won't let him play because she believes its satanic (so I have a seperate box and notebook for him to keep all of his cards in). And to make matters worse, his sister won't let her son play Pokemon because she believes its satanic (because the preacher of her church says it is.)

Now, I don't care for the game Pokemon (I did play it for a while, but got bored of it), but I don't see the harm in kids playing it. But this is all a matter of my personal opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I will always be a firm believer in a the saying "Lord, give me the strenth to change what I can, and the courage to face what I cannot change". That wraps up my opinion. Peace out everyone and God Bless!

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georgecpop
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posted December 05, 2001 08:08 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for georgecpop Send a private message to georgecpop Click to send georgecpop an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Trnothr:
Ooh, German people have tendency to win a lot when they get rolling... and then lose. Anyone remember Hitler?



I can't believe that someone actually went as far to find a connection between Budde and Hitler. I mean seriously, don't you think a bit before posting stuff like this.


And the article was well written Roche and i'm sorry about your friend too, but i guess if he was doing drugs then he should've known where he might end up.

Everyone must learn to take responsability for the consequences of their actions.

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r0cheb0y
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posted December 05, 2001 08:26 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for r0cheb0y Click Here to Email r0cheb0y Send a private message to r0cheb0y Click to send r0cheb0y an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
my friend got 2 years in a detention center,then is getting tried again at a later date or something

roche.

 
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posted December 06, 2001 04:38 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Goth401 Click Here to Email Goth401 Send a private message to Goth401 Click to send Goth401 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
The... The..... MOFOS! sad about "bob," angry about how they twist magic into some evil thing. Same thing about the columbine high ordeal, they blame the parents for not seeing that sorta thing before and therefore they get blamed for all the kids that died.
not a fan of mariylin, but same case there. besides, magics not all satanic and evil, you gotta understand it before you flame it...

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boelo
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posted January 01, 2002 09:20 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for boelo Click Here to Email boelo Send a private message to boelo Click to send boelo an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Blazing_Specter13:
Well, it was well written, IMO. Sorry to hear about you friend. It saddens me to think about people who use drugs to "escape" from the pressures of everyday life instead of dealing with it.

But, Magic (or anything that parents, teachers, police, etc. don't understand.) has been a scapegoat for as long as I can remember (and I've been playing since Alpha.). People who don't play, and don't understand it because they don't agree with the game, like to blame everything on it.

It happens with everything, music, video games, television, you name it, someone will find a way to play pass the blame with it. I was blessed in the sense that when I started playing, my parents were understanding enough to let me make my own judgement about the game.

I have a friend (who happens to be a few years younger than me and lives with his mother) who's mother won't let him play because she believes its satanic (so I have a seperate box and notebook for him to keep all of his cards in). And to make matters worse, his sister won't let her son play Pokemon because she believes its satanic (because the preacher of her church says it is.)

Now, I don't care for the game Pokemon (I did play it for a while, but got bored of it), but I don't see the harm in kids playing it. But this is all a matter of my personal opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I will always be a firm believer in a the saying "Lord, give me the strenth to change what I can, and the courage to face what I cannot change". That wraps up my opinion. Peace out everyone and God Bless!


Um, would this person's mother be a baptist.

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Lord of the Goats
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posted January 04, 2002 06:05 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Lord of the Goats Click Here to Email Lord of the Goats Send a private message to Lord of the Goats Click to send Lord of the Goats an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
do you not tell me anything?

anyway, i think magic gets a bad rap because people see someone like me. for those of you who don't know me, i wear all black, a trench coat, and have long hair. quite scary if you're droping your 11 year old son off at a magic tournament which ends at the god forsaken hour of 9:30. what they don't know is that i am an eagle scout and am a very nice person.

people are dumb and stereotypical... thus magic gets blamed since demons play it ::

 
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posted January 04, 2002 11:41 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Mrhat Click Here to Email Mrhat Send a private message to Mrhat Click to send Mrhat an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Sadly, people (Read: Closed-minded people, which many Christians are, and which most people are) need someone or something to blame whenever a unfavorable event happens, always has been that way. Though I am usually not an optimist(Actually, I'm quite cynical), at least this way "Bob" will get therapy for his drug habit.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Mrhat on January 11, 2002]
 
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posted January 06, 2002 07:00 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for RPGfreak17 Click Here to Email RPGfreak17 Send a private message to RPGfreak17 Click to send RPGfreak17 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
yep. i'm wondering if the first guy who placed the blame on magic understands much about the game. most likely he doesn't, but obviously i can't say for sure.

~RPGfreak17

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