So what i'm asking basically is your views on how best to get the ref, as it were.

things that cross my mind are:

keep asking over again- boring but if you really want it...

Raise the amount of refs certain people can give. like a well established trader. i know i have done certain deals with people multiple times, like every body else. This should have some bearing because i am most likely trading with the players who are on here as much as myself.
this does have some potential for abuse so maybe like a limit. but i dont want to makes this a whole multi ref thing.

There could be a ref tax like a throwin agreement for a reference.i give you a jank foil for your ref.

Should the ref be part of the negotiations? like along with this deal we agree to exchange refs within a week of receiving or yatayata.

-Send refs once addresses are agreed upon. then we could edited from there, so if something were to go wrong or if you dont have time after.

maybe everyone could sign a land(chimney imp/psychotog/p9 ect..) with an email address so when its like right there.

Honestly, the best thing we can do is just to raise awareness about returning the ref. It important

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Originally posted by Philip papas:
First off i'd like to say it bothers me so much when you dont get that ref.; especially where i am in the scheme of things.

So what i'm asking basically is your views on how best to get the ref, as it were.

things that cross my mind are:

keep asking over again- boring but if you really want it...

Raise the amount of refs certain people can give. like a well established trader. i know i have done certain deals with people multiple times, like every body else. This should have some bearing because i am most likely trading with the players who are on here as much as myself.
this does have some potential for abuse so maybe like a limit. but i dont want to makes this a whole multi ref thing.

There could be a ref tax like a throwin agreement for a reference.i give you a jank foil for your ref.

Should the ref be part of the negotiations? like along with this deal we agree to exchange refs within a week of receiving or yatayata.

-Send refs once addresses are agreed upon. then we could edited from there, so if something were to go wrong or if you dont have time after.

maybe everyone could sign a land(chimney imp/psychotog/p9 ect..) with an email address so when its like right there.

Honestly, the best thing we can do is just to raise awareness about returning the ref. It important

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A reference is a referal, not an indicator of the total number of trades. Allowing people to give multiple references to the same person would cheapen refs from people who traded many times with the same person in the past who would have a hard time redoing those multiples as well as increase the chances of ref fraud. Having it only apply to certain people would be a nightmare.

Giving anything for a reference is a violation of the rules and could cause serious problems. Bribing someone for a ref seems like a horrible idea.

Agreeing to exchange refs as part of the trade agreement isn't likely to increase the chances that someone will leave a ref, and will lead to people being upset that they were lied to and causing a lot of headaches.

Sending ref checks before the trade is complete would be a really easy way for someone with few or no completed trades to get a whole bunch of refs at once and go on a big ripping spree before people have a chance to edit the ref when they don't get their cards.

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Originally posted by Philip papas:
wow nender i just want my ref..like a fool proof way trade is done and it should count

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While it would be nice, it's just not realistic to expect every trader to confirm every ref. Building a system to force people to give refs is not the answer.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
While it would be nice, it's just not realistic to expect every trader to confirm every ref. Building a system to force people to give refs is not the answer.

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Originally posted by thror:
o you really want to force people to leave you 1's and 2's?

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Originally posted by Philip papas:
wow nender i just want my ref..like a fool proof way trade is done and it should count

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Be a better trader and earn the ref???

I'm not entirely thrilled about anything that would make accumulating refs easier/quicker.

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One ref for every one person. Let the bourgeois trader be the same as the megastore trader who is the same as the common man trader.

Kidding aside, that would be adding a sense of intrinsic value to every stamp and envelope we send. Sure, I can trade with you, the unestablished trader, and get my one ref, or I can make a similar, most likely not the same, but still worthwhile deal with mister bigshot and get 2 refs for the same postage?

In my mind, the idea of the system is to aid individuals in gaining more refs quickly, but the system itself disadvantages those individuals who have fewer refs, barring any real benefit except the longstanding trader.

edit: on reading the second part, I realize that would not be the case, as you'djust trade with premium reffers until you get the requisite refs to be a premium ref to start trading with non prems. That, in itself, is dumb.

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Originally posted by Kyosukee:
Multi refs are not a good idea.

One ref for every one person. Let the bourgeois trader be the same as the megastore trader who is the same as the common man trader.

Kidding aside, that would be adding a sense of intrinsic value to every stamp and envelope we send. Sure, I can trade with you, the unestablished trader, and get my one ref, or I can make a similar, most likely not the same, but still worthwhile deal with mister bigshot and get 2 refs for the same postage?

In my mind, the idea of the system is to aid individuals in gaining more refs quickly, but the system itself disadvantages those individuals who have fewer refs, barring any real benefit except the longstanding trader.

edit: on reading the second part, I realize that would not be the case, as you'djust trade with premium reffers until you get the requisite refs to be a premium ref to start trading with non prems. That, in itself, is dumb.

Meh, Ref socialism for life.

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I think you're misunderstanding what people mean by multiple refs. As the system stands, if I trade with a person once or 20 times, it's one ref. With multiple refs, if I trade with someone 5 times, I get 5 refs. In my opinion, the way that it currently works is correct because a reference is someone who can vouch for you, not a total of trades that you have made.

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When I read
"Raise the amount of refs certain people can give"

I was reading it to be in one trade, as in the quality of super premium trader's ref is better than the quality of say, my ref.

I haven't traded lately but letting me know when you recieve is the most important to me because I'm always worried that if I say it first, they might claim my cards never arrived and then I'd be on the hook to send them again. I've probably traded with 20+ members who aren't on my ref list because we both received and never said anything.

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Originally posted by Kyosukee:

In my mind, the idea of the system is to aid individuals in gaining more refs quickly, but the system itself disadvantages those individuals who have fewer refs, barring any real benefit except the longstanding trader.

edit: on reading the second part, I realize that would not be the case, as you'djust trade with premium reffers until you get the requisite refs to be a premium ref to start trading with non prems. That, in itself, is dumb.

Meh, Ref socialism for life.

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i like the way you phrased the first part. but yeah i was talking about 1 refs pre trade, even if you had traded before . maybe with like a limit 3 refs that you could give pre person. but i figured that would be a lot of work and didnt want to make this about multi-refs

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Originally posted by rockondon:
Probably the best way to get that ref is to maintain good communication, thank them for the trade, and let them know when you receive.

I haven't traded lately but letting me know when you recieve is the most important to me because I'm always worried that if I say it first, they might claim my cards never arrived and then I'd be on the hook to send them again. I've probably traded with 20+ members who aren't on my ref list because we both received and never said anything.

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At what number will you stop worrying about refs?

I am at 87 refs right now and feel that those lost refs really won't matter.

Everybody dosen't get all the refs that they deserve. I have probably 5-10 refs that I have never recieved. Its just part of trading on here.

I think the biggest problem is that people starting out just can't wait to hit this goal they have set for themselves and get discouraged when they don't get that one ref.

I personally don't care about getting another ref at this point. I answer all ref checks sent to me, but I won't go out of my way to remind someone to give me a ref. I've also lost like 20 refs due to people getting banned and I don't care about that, either.

But that's because I have enough for people to pay me first when they buy stuff from me and to demand cards first if I buy stuff from someone with much less refs. I think I've only "sent first" to one person in the last few years and he had 500+ refs. And I could probably have asked for payment first and gotten it if I cared enough.

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Originally posted by AGO:
Please answer me this.

At what number will you stop worrying about refs?

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When the addresses are exchanged, I let them know when I will send out, and explicitly say that I will e-mail them when I receive, and that when that is done, we can exchange refs.

When they e-mail me that they receive, I send a ref check. When I say I receive I get a ref check.

Really don't understand where the problem is.

I get the occasional people who send a ref check to ME when they RECEIVE. Since I haven't received yet, I don't fill it out until I receive. Usually it's still filled out within a few days but occasionally with slow mail it isn't.

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Originally posted by Philip papas:
bigballshotcaller is going for 1000. me id be happy with the ones who never philed out the furom or even read the message.if i had to guess a number... 88 or more realistically 58 cause i konw that 23 doesnt reflect even half of the trades that ive done maybe pushing low 60's

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Originally posted by stu55:

Dude, you live in NY, learn to type english or stop posting please

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