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Originally posted by MAB_Rapper:
I am not in favor of mandatory refs, especially when 90% of what I do on here is selling. Many times, I don't get an e-mail or message confirmation that a package has arrived. Mostly likely, these people also won't come to MOTL to fill out this mandatory ref things either. I could have all the proof in the world that a package arrived, but if MOTL doesn't have it listed as complete because of another person's laziness, it hurts the seller (or one trader in a trade scenario).

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Are you saying you don't like the mandatory system because people who won't fill out a ref now won't fill them out under the new system? I'm not sure I understand how this is a problem, since it seems to me that it ends up exactly the same in the long run.

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now I have 88 refs and I have done close to 350 buy/sales on this site according to my books - now some of that is multiple sales to the same people, but a good portion is people not leaving refs - and then we had that whole "ref downtime" for like, a year ;p

Mandatory refs seems like a good idea, but implementing it could be a pain, I don't want refs to be left before a transaction completes and both parties are happy - however if they don't make it mandatory it leaves us open to the same issues as we have now, and it still leaves new members hurting for refs (like I was some years ago!)

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Originally posted by Ghostm2099:
I like the idea of a mandatory ref system
As a new user some years ago, it was painstaking to get refs from people, so that I could start really selling on this site.

now I have 88 refs and I have done close to 350 buy/sales on this site according to my books - now some of that is multiple sales to the same people, but a good portion is people not leaving refs - and then we had that whole "ref downtime" for like, a year ;p

Mandatory refs seems like a good idea, but implementing it could be a pain, I don't want refs to be left before a transaction completes and both parties are happy - however if they don't make it mandatory it leaves us open to the same issues as we have now, and it still leaves new members hurting for refs (like I was some years ago!)

I do not envy the admin decision making to come.

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I seem to not have any problem getting ppl to fill out refs checks....

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Originally posted by wayne:
All the brainstorming has been great but I would like to point out something minor that I have noticed. Most people indicate the wrong value when filling out the refcheck. A 30 dollar card for a 30 dollar card makes the total value of the deal $60, not $30. Would it be easier if we got members to indicate what they traded for/away?

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Yes. The other way makes no sense.

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Originally posted by wayne:
All the brainstorming has been great but I would like to point out something minor that I have noticed. Most people indicate the wrong value when filling out the refcheck. A 30 dollar card for a 30 dollar card makes the total value of the deal $60, not $30. Would it be easier if we got members to indicate what they traded for/away?

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
I seem to not have any problem getting ppl to fill out refs checks....

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I have, and also the other way around. Meaning I don't get to fill in a refcheck for someone because he knows he's getting a 3 or less so they don't send them. Wait until you trade with someone with whom you are not in agreement with. (he sends cards in lesser condition for instance, or agrees to a simulsend and then sends after he has received and then declines to comment about it).

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There's a site called tradecardsonline that had a system like what a few people have already mentioned.

When working out a trade you fill in a form. Each user selects the cards that they are sending. Its linked to a database so you can specify the set as well. A check box for foils. And a comments section for whatever (condition, altered, miscut, etc).

Your address is tied to your account so that automatically shows up when everything is confirmed. You select who is sending first and if there's and cash included to even things out.

The system is a bit more intensive as far as participation goes so high volume traders/sellers/buyers might find it a bit clunky. You communicate through the system and update it as you go along. Trade agreed upon. User 1 mailed out. User 2 received. User 2 mailed out. User 1 received. Complete.

I made my only trade back in February 2011 and it still has all the details.

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I really like that system as it made each trade into a trackable transaction. Mods could go in and see who was supposed to send first or if conditions were stated.

The biggest problems of that system are that it requires constant user input. I can't mail a package out on Friday and go have fun for the weekend and on Sunday night let the guy know I sent it out on Friday. If I update the trade on Sunday night it will (I think) list it as me mailing it out on Sunday.

This would likely be annoying to deal with if you trade/sell often.

I also think that banned member references should count. When you made the trade with that person a year ago who was an upstanding member at the time, it was an indication of a smooth trade and should be referenced, why should you be punished for their future actions? When you look at a persons references, you can clearly see that the ref is still there, and the person is banned, it just doesn't count for the total number.

On that note, if you've made multiple trades with the same person, would be nice to see another reference there. As banned references don't count for the number but still show, why not allow multiple trades with the same person to show but not increase the number (like ebay)

Sort by date and name. This is the biggest problem with the ref list and the one thing that should be updated if anything.

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Originally posted by Demilio:
Sort by date and name.

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If I were to change only one thing, this.

A second, change the "Send e-mail to 10 randomly selected, confirmed references." to start with 10 from a shorter time frame. Say it would pick 10 from the last 12 months if there were 10 available. If not, slowly creep back in time.

If you emailed squizz and asked her about our trade back in 2001, she might actually reply but the odds of knowing or remembering anything about it except for what it says on my ref list are probably pretty slim.