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yakusoku
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posted March 11, 2013 02:01 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for yakusoku Click Here to Email yakusoku Send a private message to yakusoku Click to send yakusoku an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bernek77:
Not that Yaku not defending himself looks even more guilty. I feel as though Yaku has not put any effort into trying to defend himself as a wolf.

Sigh...

I give up.

Really, I do.

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say, then if none of that counts as a defense. I outlined a theory that explains why I'm not a wolf and the motivation behind the wolves for keeping me alive and I don't know what more you want me to say if all of that reads like I've said nothing, put up no defense and haven't even tried for pages there.

Vote how you want. I'm done.

 
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Yak, if you are not a wolf, who do you suspect as being the wolves? Shron, where you at on this too? I would love to hear from them before the NK. Not that it would change my mind, I'd just like to hear from them on that.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by yakusoku:
Sigh...

I give up.

Really, I do.

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say, then if none of that counts as a defense. I outlined a theory that explains why I'm not a wolf and the motivation behind the wolves for keeping me alive and I don't know what more you want me to say if all of that reads like I've said nothing, put up no defense and haven't even tried for pages there.

Vote how you want. I'm done.


I have played many games with oyu and feel as though you offer up more insight than just what you have posted. This is why I question you.

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quote:
Originally posted by paragondave:
Yak, if you are not a wolf, who do you suspect as being the wolves? Shron, where you at on this too? I would love to hear from them before the NK. Not that it would change my mind, I'd just like to hear from them on that.

Bernek77 and Blackmage.

quote:
Bernek77:

With yaku still alive and that ridiculous rant of his makes me wonder.


He's resorting to personal attacks and an argument to which I can mount no defense. I am still alive.

Yes, I can't argue against that.

Well, I try. I argue that maybe there's a hidden motivation there, that just as Bernek suspects that BM was kept alive because we'd start a bandwagon on him, that maybe the wolves knew everyone would go straight into this mode - yaku is a strong player and he's still alive.

CLEARLY, he's a wolf. There's no other possible theory.

None at all.

I try to defend myself and he outright dismisses everything I've said.

quote:

Yaku's last post had nothing to do with the game.

I offered up what I felt was a possible alternate scenario, but that doesn't count.

quote:

I agree Yaku is alive and probably should be offed by now.

He agrees that I'm alive?

Well, duh? I agree I'm alive, too.

So, he's back onto this argument:

If yak is alive, he's a wolf.

Yak is alive.

Therefore, he's a wolf.

I can't possibly deny that "yak is alive" is false. The logical reasoning to get from statement 1 and 2 to his conclusion is sound. The only thing left to do is attack the notion that if I am alive, it's proof that I'm a wolf, but when I do, he brushes it aside as rants and irrelevant to the game, because that's a tried and true tactic if you watch any talking heads. You don't need to use reason to argue against the idea being put forth. Just attack the person saying the words, call him crazy, call his ideas empty, vacuous, and without any substance and that nothing he says can be believed. And you win with a ridiculous strawman argument.

It's the ol' "have you stopped beating your wife?" line.

You ignore anything but a "yes" or "no" answer and either answer convicts the person being asked. A yes means that you used to be a wife beater. A no means you still ARE a wife beater.

Meanwhile, at least Bernek has responded to my comments, although in a manner which I don't think is constructive, but Blackmage has harped on about irrelevant matters to the game in an attempt to dismiss me as a person, rather than my tactics, my arguments, my logic. That would lend itself to interesting game play and insightful commentary.

No, instead let's argue this point:

quote:
Blackmage:
Yaku and Shron have made no posts yet.

MeddlingMage revised the vote count (which I waited for him to correct because as paragondave pointed out, he did switch his vote), and I didn't want to post based on false information - I'm sure THAT would have played well into everyone's eyes if I played as if we really had a tie situation and started making a case for one of the two people on the chopping block.

I pointed out that he was mistaken and it's only been a short time that I have not posted. And his reply:

quote:

6:54 to 10:28.

Nice hour.


Again, this is something I expect out of Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, or Glenn Beck, not out of someone on MOTL.

Ignore the facts, distort the truth, and when I make a rebuttal, argue with "my" version of the truth, say the problem is on my end, and when all else fails - stop arguing and declare yourself the winner.

I pointed out 8:12 to 9:41 was the time difference. The time between MM's post and Blackmage's post.

So, instead he argues that the REAL time difference is when MM started the new thread and when *I* finally responded to Blackmage's accusal.

6:45 to 10:28

Hours and hours and hours, by his estimation.

When, in reality, MM posted around 8. Blackmage posted around 9 saying it was odd that I hadn't posted anything. Half an hour later, by his count (10:28 after his 9:41 post) I post and he's counting that as hours of delay and an error on my part of counting.

Now, there's been 15 hours since I replied to him showing him that HE is the one who was wrong and he has no reply.

It's a hit and run to discredit me and I'm not given any chance to defend myself against a blatant lie and I get no apology for smearing my reputation. He's had over half a day.

I had less than two hours.

I find this hypocritical and outrageous.

So if you want to know whom I suspect - it's these two who have seemingly gone after me based on style rather than substance. Feelings rather than reason. Lies rather than truths.

 
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It is odd that you no longer have any suspicion of me and have never had any for Shron...

Regardless, great game.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by paragondave:
It is odd that you no longer have any suspicion of me and have never had any for Shron...

Regardless, great game.


Great game dave, great game indeed. You now must watch from the sidelines as the wolves have eaten you, a common villager.

Villagers, votes are due Wednesday night.

~MM

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by MeddlingMage on March 11, 2013]

 
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There are 5 players left now. A wrong lynch, and the game is over.

~MM

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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Great game dave, great game indeed. You now must watch from the sidelines as the wolves have eaten you, a common villager.

Villagers, votes are due Wednesday night.

~MM


They ate my Sheriff of Pogglesworth. Dave mustve angered someone (the wolves) very much to be eaten. Or they are implicating Yaku even more with the meal of Dave...as Dave and Yaku appeared to be scuttling recently.

I highly doubt Dave was the most dangerous villager still alive. Tho he did step up to plate when asked.

He started the rally...now I must finish the rally against em.

~Revenger

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I feel like this is a setup towards me seeing as the interaction between Dave and I. I think this was a bad lynch by the wolves.

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Voting Shron Von Drago.
 
B14ckM4g3
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quote:
Originally posted by yakusoku:

Worst. Argument. Ever.


Nice vote for shron. I am 100% positive yaku and shron are the wolves. If Either myself or Dave were wrong, then the game is already over as we would of both voted for those two as is. I think this is a ploy to attempt to split the vote up and play tiebreaker, or an attempt for a wolf to save himself. I'll go with it though, and vote yaku next round.

vote: Shron Von Drago

 
Shron Von Drago
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I apologize for having been silent as it seems i picked up whatever nasty virus that was going around and have been mostly bedridden for the last 4 days and being close to hospitalized for the last 2 apparently you can't sweat out a fever when your body dehydrates :P but anyway back to the game at hand.

You can lynchme if you'd like but i will say as i have said in prvious games i am a villager. My vote last round was because like MM i skimmed through the votes at the bottom and didn't see Daves move of his vote and thought i was forcing tie so we could have a little more time to talk it over and be 100% sure on the vote because a few people seemed shaky on their votes and i want to win with us being 1 wrong lynch away from being wolf food it seemed the safest play to give the 2 accused one last plea otherwise what would be the point of changing my vote other than to jump on the bandwagon? if i wanted to be a sneaky wolf wouldn't i have just done that instead hid in the pile.

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Bernek77
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BM why the sudden change? I never said I was gonna vote Shron just urged us to go that route. Now Dave is lynched and you are changing from Yaku.

Before the NK it was a consensus to vote Yaku.

Rev(self appointed mayor) what do you think about the sudden change.

I know Yaku voted Shron seeing I was advocated on doing so to try and force maybe a split. But there are 5 of us there wont be a split it would come down to a 3-2 at worse case scenario.

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B14ckM4g3
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The reasoning doesn't really matter. I believe that shron and yaku are wolves and will vote for both of them. I'm not really fussy on the order. I think yaku is just trying to ploy us apart from voting both of them. If I were a wolf, I'd do the same thing. If we make one mistake, then it's game over. I'll vote yaku again if you want me to. As long as the pile ends up in shron or yaku's favor, that's all that matters to me.
 
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Vote: [B]Shron[\B]

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Voting is closed. Tally/reveal coming soon.

~MM

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[Voted for: Shron Von Drago]
1. Bernek
2. BlackMage
3. yakusoku

No votes from Shron or revenger

Luckily for the players that voted, they bagged a wolf.

Last remaining Werewolf. I need your name asap

~MM

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by MeddlingMage on March 13, 2013]

 
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Damnit! i thought voting ended tomm night! argh!

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Yaku for the win!!!!!!!

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Vote: yaku
 
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Bernek and BlackMage your votes do not count until after the NK.
Speaking of the NK, it was giving to me last night, but between 3 straight 13 hour days now, I haven't been around as much.

BlackMage has been eaten.

Villagers, your votes are due Saturday night.

~MM

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Decisions...decisions.....Vote: Yakusoku gawd I hope we r right.

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I want to hear from Yaku and Revenger.....Revenger you are sure about Yaku, why is that?

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Well, it comes down to this, and I'm basically going to put the whole game in your hands, Bernek77.

We all have one vote. revenger has already cast for me, and I'm voting for him and it's up to you to ultimately decide how this plays out.

And I don't think you're a wolf, but I think you're still looking in the wrong spot if you think going after me is a win.

I've tried for days and days to convince you and everyone else that I'm not a wolf and now I'll make one last case and this will be it.

I'd like to take revenger at his word and assume he's not a wolf, but rather just missed the deadline, but what if it's both?

What if he was waiting until the last minute, in case there was a shift and he wanted to vote "correctly"?

Only, he and SVD cast no votes at all.

I cast a vote for SVD and he didn't vote for me, or for anyone else. Given that you and Blackmage were going after him, wouldn't we at least *try* to coordinate our votes and convince one of the three of you (Blackmage, rvenger, Bernek77) not to vote for either of us if we were both wolves? Wouldn't I at least try to get him to vote?

I don't understand what SVD and revenger are doing, but it seems as least possible that SVD saw the writing on the wall and didn't vote. His vote, if it's for anyone but himself, would give more information to the rest of us.

I encourage you to read through the game again, if only to skim to see what each of us has said and done.

I'd just like to note some of the language he has used in the game that to me reads like a pattern:

quote:
revenger:

Let's get em villagers


quote:

if us villagers still find all the wolves

quote:

These damn wolves are playing with us! We need to catch at least one or we could get swept.

quote:

Why didn't fwy reveal and help us villagers out?

quote:

Speaking like a villager Mayor of Pogglesworth! That's Revenger! Mayor and Tax Collector!

quote:

One of us villagers, imo, needs to step up, and start cleaning house on these damn wolves.

quote:

Us villagers are about to be swept, and Pogglesworth mayor (me) has to start this 3 wolf lynching streak somewhere.

quote:

I know I'm a villager

quote:

I don't see us villagers pulling this out.

quote:

Pogglesworth Mayor here

quote:

They ate my Sheriff of Pogglesworth.

quote:

I hope we r right.

AND

quote:

I still don't consider myself a vet at this, but I am sure some of you might.

quote:

"You think to much of me, kid. I'm not that clever." The Godfather

quote:

Yaku is a very strong player

quote:

Vote: Yaku I consider him the best remaining player that hasnt been lynched or eaten, which should not be the case, when we have only one shot left.

quote:

I don't consider myself a great player, but I aint a slouch either now.

quote:

If I was Wolf, yaku gets eaten 1st or 2nd round.

quote:

Wolves, imo, will kill the most dangerous villager still alive right now.

So now, do you think it's more likely that I am the last wolf or he is?

That's up to you.

Voting revenger.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Bernek77:
I want to hear from Yaku and Revenger.....Revenger you are sure about Yaku, why is that?


Actually I'm not to sure bout yaku now with his recent omgus post. I do know that I'm a villager and amazed ive not been lynched up to this point. Prob is I'm not sure on who to vote for as there isn't a cleat cut wolf in my opinion. True I voted for Yaku already butg I can change my vote still and later. Hell, so hectic around here in my family life, I don't remember who is all left playing! I do know everyone I've voted for (not counting ties) I beleive has been wrong. So I guess the more posts by everyone, the more I can lean towards someone to vote for. I even suspected Blackmage, but he was eaaten by the wolves. I do know one thing for sure without any doubt, that I'm a villager and voting me ends the game with the wolves winning. Truly sad to see that when we have come back from this and being down so much.

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