It has been proposed that we do a bit of clean-up of the BTA forum and archive off old BTA cases that didn't result in a banning. The archived files would only be visible to moderators so that we can still have access to the histories of everyone as needed, but after a period of time, say 5 years, if someone hasn't had another BTA case against them (or maybe if they had, that's up for discussion) the case would "fall off of their record" as far as public information is concerned. This will also limit the issues with people having a case long ago that wasn't significant in the long run popping up on Google and other places causing uncomfortable situations.

What are your thoughts about the idea? Good, bad, indifferent? Is 5 years the right number, too low or too high? If someone has subsequent BTA cases should we still archive the old ones that have "expired" or should they be kept due to a pattern of behavior?

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Besides the Google-results (do you get that a lot then, that people get remarks about BTA postings through this?) and cleaning up the BTA-Forum, does it help the site in any way?

I mean, the BTA Forum comes across messy. You have to look through every line to see if someone is there that you are trading with or whatever. Preferrably something could be done about the layout?

On the Suggestions Forum, there was a discussion on that a few years ago if memory serves me well, that people posted Suggestions in there and hardly anyone of influence noticed. I believe it was then said (by mods, again, memory..) that the Forum was near extinction and any suggestions one would have should be made in the GD.
I haven't been there since.
So if you're saying it's still alive, I'd be more than happy to post a suggestion about the BTA Forum .

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Originally posted by AEther Storm:
I suppose that's a good thing, about the Google results. 3 years sounds right to me. If the person involved has been actively trading on the Forums within that period without any trouble, sure archive it.

Besides the Google-results (do you get that a lot then, that people get remarks about BTA postings through this?) and cleaning up the BTA-Forum, does it help the site in any way?

I mean, the BTA Forum comes across messy. You have to look through every line to see if someone is there that you are trading with or whatever. Preferrably something could be done about the layout?

On the Suggestions Forum, there was a discussion on that a few years ago if memory serves me well, that people posted Suggestions in there and hardly anyone of influence noticed. I believe it was then said (by mods, again, memory..) that the Forum was near extinction and any suggestions one would have should be made in the GD.
I haven't been there since.
So if you're saying it's still alive, I'd be more than happy to post a suggestion about the BTA Forum .

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Yeah, it's a fairly routine occurrence for someone to ask that their information be removed from the BTA because <potential employeer/school administrator/etc.> saw it and questioned them about it.

If you have a specific trader that you're working with and want to check the BTA, the search feature is by far your best option. Even reading line by line, you're going to miss a lot.

I'm not aware of any mods requesting that people move recommendations out of the Suggestions forum. We still keep up on it and respond as we're able. If you have a recommendation we'd be happy to hear it!

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
Seems reasonable that for non-banning or smacked offenses, that either 3 or 5 years for it to be archived is fine with me. Also for things that should never be there in the first place should get removed ASAP.

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i dont think you should have to keep public a BTA that resulted in just a smack. you get a smack for backing out of a confirmed trade or even just sending late, and a lot of new members dont realize what 'confirms' a trade.

Can we do 3 years for a resolved bta, and 5 years for a bta that resulted in a smack?

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Originally posted by thror:
i dont think you should have to keep public a BTA that resulted in just a smack. you get a smack for backing out of a confirmed trade or even just sending late, and a lot of new members dont realize what 'confirms' a trade.

Can we do 3 years for a resolved bta, and 5 years for a bta that resulted in a smack?

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Originally posted by nderdog:
As I suspect that not everyone browses the Suggestions forum on a regular basis, I wanted to bring this one up for more discussion.

It has been proposed that we do a bit of clean-up of the BTA forum and archive off old BTA cases that didn't result in a banning. The archived files would only be visible to moderators so that we can still have access to the histories of everyone as needed, but after a period of time, say 5 years, if someone hasn't had another BTA case against them (or maybe if they had, that's up for discussion) the case would "fall off of their record" as far as public information is concerned. This will also limit the issues with people having a case long ago that wasn't significant in the long run popping up on Google and other places causing uncomfortable situations.

What are your thoughts about the idea? Good, bad, indifferent? Is 5 years the right number, too low or too high? If someone has subsequent BTA cases should we still archive the old ones that have "expired" or should they be kept due to a pattern of behavior?

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I also feel like all unwarranted BTAs should be immediately archived, and reinstated if need be at a later date. I totally get the need to keep them on file, in case there is a pattern of poor behavior, but these shouldn't be damaging the reputations of good traders.

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Originally posted by marvinc023:
What can we do about people who get BTA for no reason? I was BTA early in the year because he didn't like my response to a trade offer in a PM. He BTA'ed me to say I wasn't nice in my reply. It's not fair to have my name even in that forum.

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This is part of the problem. I agree with 3 years, but I think there will be a grey line for something like this, which is really irrelevant and shouldn't still be in the system.

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Originally posted by Aznopium:
any outlandish BTA cases should be stripped from the system.

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I agree that they should be removed, but I'm tempted to say that they should stay up for a certain period of time (week, month maybe?) to let people know who the people posting this kind of thing are so that they can be avoided.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
I agree that they should be removed, but I'm tempted to say that they should stay up for a certain period of time (week, month maybe?) to let people know who the people posting this kind of thing are so that they can be avoided.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
I agree that they should be removed, but I'm tempted to say that they should stay up for a certain period of time (week, month maybe?) to let people know who the people posting this kind of thing are so that they can be avoided.

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Originally posted by bigballashotcaller:
I'd also like to see enforcement of BTA cases sped up (as in times for moderators to respond, less time for people to screw around and potentially pull money out of PayPal, etc.). I think it's often too lenient in regards to days/weeks/months that pass before moderator response and/or decisions.

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We have to give people ample time to fix things before we ban them. If people aren't reading the BTA to know not to trade with these people, shortening the timeframe isn't going to help much. They are also very unlikely to leave that money in PayPal until the last minute. They are rippers, that money's gone by the time the other person suspects anything.

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Originally posted by PhilipJFry:
Is there any way to strip the innocent party's information out of the frivolous BTA and at the same time to draw attention to the fact that the poster frivolously filed such a case? Maybe snip out any personal information and change the subject line to "FRIVOLOUS FILING ALERT" or somethign equally jarring. Just a thought of mine.

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That's definitely possible.

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Originally posted by chaos021:
Why not just smack those people instead and move on? That sort of stuff just feels like feeding trolls.

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You really think that people don't want to see who the idiots are who will file a BTA case if they don't receive in 3 days or someone didn't respond to their offer and stuff like that? I know I've made plenty of mental notes to avoid certain people because of stupid BTA cases that should never have been filed. If I'm the only one then fine, but I really doubt that's the case.

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Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
anything smack-worthy or more should be 5 years.
Anything less should be 3 years.

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I agree with this.

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Originally posted by nderdog:

You really think that people don't want to see who the idiots are who will file a BTA case if they don't receive in 3 days or someone didn't respond to their offer and stuff like that? I know I've made plenty of mental notes to avoid certain people because of stupid BTA cases that should never have been filed. If I'm the only one then fine, but I really doubt that's the case.

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