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nderdog
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Some of Nderwife's family convinced me to join a league, and I haven't played in years, so I'm pretty rusty! Got a bit lucky with autodraft and ended up with AD and Aaron Rogers, but TE is pretty shakey with Brandon Pettigrew until Gronk comes back.

If anyone's in the advice-giving mood, here are the choices I'm having a problem deciding on this week:

RB - Darren Sproles vs. Stevan Ridley
WR - Vincent Jackson vs. Anquan Boldin
DEF - St. Louis vs. Arizona

I'm currently leaning toward Ridley and Boldin, but completely lost on the DEF.

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St. Louis is playing Arizona Week one, aren't they? I'd go with the Rams personally, at least based on the way almost most major sports outlets have the game going.
 
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Depends on format... is it ppr?(point per reception)

If yes...then I'd play Ridley, Boldin, St.Louis.

If no....Ridley, V-Jax, St.Louis.

Is Jordan Cameron available on waivers for a TE? Also Zach Zudfeld(sp)? Or heck even Fred Davis....those are all better than Pettigrew.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by daner:
Depends on format... is it ppr?(point per reception)

If yes...then I'd play Ridley, Boldin, St.Louis.

If no....Ridley, V-Jax, St.Louis.

Is Jordan Cameron available on waivers for a TE? Also Zach Zudfeld(sp)? Or heck even Fred Davis....those are all better than Pettigrew.


Oops, forgot to mention that, it is PPR.

I put in a waiver request for Zudfeld, but since the draft didn't get kicked off until last night, I'm stuck for the week.

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In PPR, I think you start Ridley, but it's a lot closer than it would be otherwise, since Ridley might catch 10 passes all year, and Sproles is a PPR machine. The matchup for Sproles is also pretty good, given Atlanta's offense and New Orleans' terrible defense, he should get a lot of opportunities to make plays out of the backfield because the game is going to be a shoot out. That said, it's not like Ridley going against a bad Buffalo defense isn't a good match up either.

As for Jackson, even in PPR, I think you still start him over Boldin. He's a top 10 WR for a reason, and Revis Island is on the other side of that particular matchup, which makes the Jets secondary a hell of a lot worse.

Agree with Daner on defense, it's STL.

As for Pettigrew, I think you're probably fine. Stafford threw the ball 727 times last year, he's a fine PPR option. Even if Bush takes some targets, there's still plenty to go around.

 
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In my work league, I was offered Arian Foster for Jamaal Charles. Seems like either way I'm playing the injury crapshoot. I'm thinking I'll turn him down and keep Charles, but curious what the MOTLers think.
 
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@ nder: Didn't I see on FB you asking to get in their league?

Sproles catches a lot of passes. Do you have a flex spot?

quote:
Originally posted by WinkyBlitzen:
In PPR, I think you start Ridley, but it's a lot closer than it would be otherwise, since Ridley might catch 10 passes all year, and Sproles is a PPR machine.

Huh?

quote:
Originally posted by coasterdude84:
In my work league, I was offered Arian Foster for Jamaal Charles. Seems like either way I'm playing the injury crapshoot. I'm thinking I'll turn him down and keep Charles, but curious what the MOTLers think.

Foster has been over used the last couple years. I read somewhere that they are going to try and limit his carries, starting with week 1.

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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:

Huh?


Not sure where the confusion comes in there. I'm saying in a standard, non-PPR league, it would not be close, you definitely start Ridley. In a PPR league, Ridley loses value because he catches very few balls (6 total receptions in 16 games with 11 starts last year) while Sproles gains a ton of value with 75 and 89 catches over the past 2 seasons, which makes it a closer decision.

 
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You clearly say:

IN PPR league you start Ridley....

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Who do I start at QB? Romo/Luck/EJ Manuel?

My conclusion was Romo, but I'm very much a fantasy football n00b.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
You clearly say:

IN PPR league you start Ridley....

~MM



Yes, I do. I said it makes it a closer decision, not that it changes the end result. I'm saying in PPR it's 55%/45% in favor of starting Ridley, in non-PPR it's 100%/0%.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:
Who do I start at QB? Romo/Luck/EJ Manuel?

My conclusion was Romo, but I'm very much a fantasy football n00b.



I think you definitely have to start Romo there, he's already likely the first QB you drafted, and on top of being your QB1, he's got a good matchup given his really strong career stats against the Giants so there's no real reason for the other 2 to pass him.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by WinkyBlitzen on September 05, 2013]
 
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quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:
Who do I start at QB? Romo/Luck/EJ Manuel?

My conclusion was Romo, but I'm very much a fantasy football n00b.


This is closer than most would think. At first glace at the numbers....Romo stands out. Always has a great week 1, always plays well vs. The Giants. The Giants secondary is banged up....etc etc. I'd expect 300+ passing and 3 TDs...but possibly 1-2 INTS throw in there. Also....400+ passing and 4 TDs isn't out of the question either.

Yet, Luck is a solid play at home against the team who is probably on the clock....the Oakland Raiders, who are a dumpster fire of dog poo team. I'd expect no less than 280 w 3TDs from Luck.

EJ Manuel is also not as bad a play as you'd think. If he's healthy he's like a poor man's RGIII/Newton. The Patriots are gonna win this by 24 pts....but I wouldnt be suprised if the Bills throw up a 30 spot themselves. They are gonna be behind, and they are gonna throw and if EJ is healthy he's gonna run too. 300 all purpose yds and 3 Total TDs is also not out of the question, but Buffalo might be behind bc he makes 2-3 critical mistakes...ie INT's or Fumbles. He will still have a good overall day.


I'd say it's like 48% Romo 42% Luck 10% EJ. The only reason why I'd put EJ so low is the turnovers.

Romo has the potential for the monster game, Luck is probably the "safe" bet, and EJ is the wildcard....how ballsy do you want to be play. *ie I don't reccomend it

 
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Glad I had Manning on one of my teams last night , was it me or was there a lot of drops by recievers last night.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by daner:

Romo has the potential for the monster game, Luck is probably the "safe" bet, and EJ is the wildcard....how ballsy do you want to be play. *ie I don't reccomend it

Agreed. if i had all three, i start Romo against a shaky Giants D. I am all giants fan, and I know Romo is gonna torch us for at least 2-3 TDs easy.

Yea, Oakland blows (vs. Indy), but I have a feeling Indy is gonna try to run a bit more

 
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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
@ nder: Didn't I see on FB you asking to get in their league?

Yeah, but that doesn't make nearly as good of a story.


quote:
Originally posted by Vegas10:
was there a lot of drops by recievers last night.

As one of the idiots who started Decker, yes, yes there were.

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Wow this thread is awesome. Thanks guys!

Legitimately my thought process was:

Romo - All my friends hate the Cowboys, and especially Romo. It's way sweeter to beat them with a guy they hate, and I hate the dern Giants.

Luck - He seems good. I thought he'd be ranked higher than Romo, but my friends don't hate him.

EJ - I'm a Bills fan, so there's that.

Looks like unanimous Romo though, even if Dane says it's close. That was my guess too. It doesn't seem like there will be too much disparity between Luck and Romo. So it's sort of a coin toss for a few extra points one way or another.

Next question is if two or three of my QBs do well, do you guys think I can make a trade for one and get somebody solid at another position? You know, somebody's starter goes down and I swoop in with an offer?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by hilikuS on September 06, 2013]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:

Next question is if two or three of my QBs do well, do you guys think I can make a trade for one and get somebody solid at another position? You know, somebody's starter goes down and I swoop in with an offer?



IMHO:

Depends on how big your league is (10,12 or 14), scoring system and what you are trying to get back


From a standard scoring, 12 team league view:

The issue with 12 team leagues is that they are literally 12 good QBs (the big guys, Colin, Russell, RGIII, etc) + 2 or 3 okay ones (Eli, Ben R, Vick)

so if someone has any of the top 15 guys, they are unlikely to trade for Romo or Luck imho especially if you are to get a Top 20 RB or Top 20 WR.

Sure, if ur trying to dump romo for someone like a Le'Veon Bell, Daryl Richardson or Mike Wallace.. i can see that happening..

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Aznopium:

IMHO:

Depends on how big your league is (10,12 or 14), scoring system and what you are trying to get back


From a standard scoring, 12 team league view:

The issue with 12 team leagues is that they are literally 12 good QBs (the big guys, Colin, Russell, RGIII, etc) + 2 or 3 okay ones (Eli, Ben R, Vick)

so if someone has any of the top 15 guys, they are unlikely to trade for Romo or Luck imho especially if you are to get a Top 20 RB or Top 20 WR.

Sure, if ur trying to dump romo for someone like a Le'Veon Bell, Daryl Richardson or Mike Wallace.. i can see that happening..



From this....

quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:
Next question is if two or three of my QBs do well, do you guys think I can make a trade for one and get somebody solid at another position? You know, somebody's starter goes down and I swoop in with an offer?

...adding on

Like Aznopium said, it really depends on how many people are in your league. If it's 10 or less don't expect a return at all on any of those guys barring some sort of season ending injury.

In a 10 man league there are probably still a few decent back-up quality QB's on waivers to go along with the fact most teams have a great #1 and a solid #2.

In 8 man leagues forget about it....everyone has QB depth out the wazoo.

Now, like Aznopium was saying, when you get into 12-14 man or sometimes deeper leagues you can get a decent return on a quality QB. At worst someone's tandem won't live up to expectataions, and they might panic into a situation where you get a decent return for a quality QB.

As a member of the wqait and take Eli Manning least year in one league I can tell you that I would have pulled the trigger on grabbing a better #1...but I wouldn't have paid THAT much. You wont et a top 12 RB, nor a top 15 WR. You'll get a mid-level RB2 or WR2 to Good WR3. Can still help you out....would like to see the entire roster you got to work with.

I still like EJ as a long term QB2, with Luck as your starter and possibly EJ taking over. I think he does have the potential to be the next RGIII.....well the RGIII ofthis year's new QB's. Stay away from Geno Smith.

If EJ becomes that you are golden...and Romo would mkae a fine trade piece, but I don't know what you need and don't know what the setting are like(how many teams, point system, etc) you have in your league.

Romo is the best QB, so probably the best tade piece if EJ turns out to be pretty good. Luck almost seems like lock to have a decent season with the weapons he has around him...so much so that he would be a fine QB1.

If you got time please lmk, and I'll help you out as best as I can.

 
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I am in a 10 team league. Scoring I dunno... like, I think it's pretty normal Yahoo scoring.

I'm figuring I will either want to trade for RB or WR. Here's what I have right now starting at those two positions.

WR - AJ Green, Torrey Smith, Pierre Garcon
RB - CJ Spiller, Frank Gore

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/467100/5

Hopefully you can view that.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by hilikuS on September 08, 2013]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:
I am in a 10 team league. Scoring I dunno... like, I think it's pretty normal Yahoo scoring.

I'm figuring I will either want to trade for RB or WR. Here's what I have right now starting at those two positions.

WR - AJ Green, Torrey Smith, Pierre Garcon
RB - CJ Spiller, Frank Gore

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/467100/5

Hopefully you can view that.


Dang.....can't without logging in w your info. Whats you bench look like? What's your TE situation? List it all and I'll throw out some names and possible trade scenarios.

I really like all those starters you listed sans Torrey Smith. I think if Garcon stays healthy he's a top 10 wr. A.J. Green....well you saw how good he is w today's performance.

I'm not a big fan of Spiller, never was, my bias aside you got a good starting tandem. One "stud" and a solid #2.....even though I know I'd never want Spiller as my #1.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:
I am in a 10 team league. Scoring I dunno... like, I think it's pretty normal Yahoo scoring.

I'm figuring I will either want to trade for RB or WR. Here's what I have right now starting at those two positions.

WR - AJ Green, Torrey Smith, Pierre Garcon
RB - CJ Spiller, Frank Gore

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/467100/5

Hopefully you can view that.


seems like you drafted fine at RB and WR, I mean if smith is your 3rd WR that's not bad at all, and your other 2 are studs, spiller would worry me the most but I wouldn't panic after 1 off game either, but Fred Jackson is there if he falls off, Jackson took the job away from lynch there in the past. Gore is a solid RB#2 still.

 
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Alright guys, here is my full roster as it stands now. I super love the Romo/Witten combo tonight BTW!

QB: Romo/Luck/EJ Manuel
WR: Green, Smith, Garcon, V. Brown
RB: Spiller, Gore, Mendenhall, Helu
TE: Witten
K: R. Bullock (Houston rookie)
DEF: Arizona, Cincy


My reasoning for Spiller was basically like, I wanted to take RB in Round 1. My first year playing I got totally screwed at RB and wanted to make sure I got a top guy. So there's a Bills guy in the top 10 on the ESPN Player rater. Yup.

I watched the game and Jackson was awesome. Spiller just kept running into dudes for like 2 yard gains. Seems to me that Jackson was getting more space because the Pats wanted to make sure they kept Spill at bey. It's funny you guys are down on Smith because I actually was close to taking Garcon over him but went with Smith, then tabled Garcon. So I drafted Pierre as my #3 technically...

[Edited 1 times, lastly by hilikuS on September 08, 2013]

 
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Hilkus
not a bad team, i wouldnt go crazy on Spiller having a bad game.. it's week 1, i am high on the guy, so just wait it out. He was ridiculous last year when he played..

I would try to get RB or WR help.

I am personally, not a fan of having more than one QB on the roster in standard 10 team with normal 5 or 6 man benches. I don't care for having a backup, just pickup a guy to fill-in once u have the bye week. I rather just have tons of RB/WR's stashed away since those are guys people want.

If i can move Luck or Romo to get a top 20 RB or WR i would. See if someone is really down on their RB or WR this week, and make a move (MJD, Chris Johnson, Roddy White) and see if they are willing to bite. (i would never trade for a mid tier QB but maybe u have suckers in your league)

EDIT: you should definitely go get Fred Jackson to handcuff CJ Spiller if he is out there. The guy can still play in this league.

Also not a fan of keeping two defenses. again, 10 team league, they are interchangeable on a weekly basis if you need be, stash RB's and WR's and hopefully one of those guys blow up

[Edited 3 times, lastly by Aznopium on September 09, 2013]

 
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ugh, I drafted David Wilson as a high-flex in a money league.

Fortunately I've got Ryan Matthews as a flex backup, but still, Wilson was my 3rd rounder. I needed 9 points from him this week to win, and he got me -2.5.

 

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