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Topic: 2014 MOTL Fantasy Baseball discussion/complaining/smack talk
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revenger
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posted March 18, 2014 03:16 PM
        
I stated to Blood that this trade is n my favor. he stated that he wanted these 2 players for Lee (only player he said was available as for SP) I suggested other offers, and he said these 2 players or can't work something out. I'm still down for this trade or working it out for both sides to make it more fair. __________________
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speechjew
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posted March 18, 2014 03:59 PM
Looking at rosters, I would think something like Pence and Masterson for Lee would be fair.
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revenger
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posted March 18, 2014 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by speechjew:
Looking at rosters, I would think something like Pence and Masterson for Lee would be fair.
this is defeating the purpose of what im trying to do. obtain a tier 2 sp and a tier 1 OF. hmmm. idk what to think not. Must reorganize....lol __________________
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pugowar
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posted March 18, 2014 05:40 PM
So whats our plan for finalizing? Can we at least publish the draft up to this point? I will help I just want this to get done.
Thanks!
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JesusChristMD
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posted March 18, 2014 06:04 PM
No way is that trade fair.
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I3Iood
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posted March 18, 2014 08:10 PM
Projections for Evan Gattis:AB: 490
HR: 27
AVG: .253
RBI: 89
RS: 68
SB: 0
Projections for Pitchers:
Cliff Lee IP: 220
W: 15
L: 8
ERA: 2.95
WHIP: 1.04
K: 213
BBI: 34 Justin Masterson IP: 200
W: 12
L: 11
ERA: 3.69
WHIP: 1.29
K: 180
BBI:76 2013 Numbers: Cliff Lee W: 14
L: 8
ERA: 2.87
K: 222
BBI: 32 Justin Masterson W: 14
L: 10
ERA: 3.45
K: 195
BBI:76 Their numbers last year were not that far off and the possibility of Gattis hitting like a first baseman at catcher are very high. I am the one who wants to do the trade. I am not sure how it is even unfair, let alone super unfair. Look at the numbers and not the draft positions.
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hilikuS
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posted March 18, 2014 08:36 PM
I'm not sure I like the deal either, but anytime you can plug in 25+ homers at catcher you're doing pretty well.It's risky, but I don't think it's vetoable. Lee is 35 years old and plays at a prolific hitters' park. After all, wasn't it I3Iood that got a sick trade earlier that you guys all thought was ludicrous?
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speechjew
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posted March 18, 2014 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by I3Iood:
Projections for Evan Gattis:AB: 490
HR: 27
AVG: .253
RBI: 89
RS: 68
SB: 0
Projections for Pitchers:
Cliff Lee IP: 220
W: 15
L: 8
ERA: 2.95
WHIP: 1.04
K: 213
BBI: 34 Justin Masterson IP: 200
W: 12
L: 11
ERA: 3.69
WHIP: 1.29
K: 180
BBI:76 2013 Numbers: Cliff Lee W: 14
L: 8
ERA: 2.87
K: 222
BBI: 32 Justin Masterson W: 14
L: 10
ERA: 3.45
K: 195
BBI:76 Their numbers last year were not that far off and the possibility of Gattis hitting like a first baseman at catcher are very high. I am the one who wants to do the trade. I am not sure how it is even unfair, let alone super unfair. Look at the numbers and not the draft positions.
Projections are subjective. Draft positions are not. Gattis is currently sitting at 178 in Yahoo and Masterson is sitting at 174. Cliff Lee is at 35. This trade would not go through a regular league. This is much more questionable than Romo/Pedroia. See rule 3 of the drafting rules. I put that in place before the draft started. Didn't think I'd have to use it. But yes, I'm vetoing. And hilikus, if you're referring to the Trout trade, if Machado is healthy, I like the Cole/Hamilton/Machado side. I think with ADP it works out.
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I3Iood
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posted March 18, 2014 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by speechjew:
See rule 3 of the drafting rules. I put that in place before the draft started. Didn't think I'd have to use it. But yes, I'm vetoing.
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3. Trading of picks/players is allowed. Feel free to PM your fellow managers with offers. Trades are up to the commissioner's approval. But barring something grossly one-sided, it will go through. We've never had this happen before, but I want to retain that power just in case.
Please explain why this is grossly one sided?
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speechjew
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posted March 18, 2014 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by I3Iood:
Please explain why this is grossly one sided?
Projections are subjective. Draft positions are not. Gattis is currently sitting at 178 in Yahoo and Masterson is sitting at 174. Cliff Lee is at 35. If you want to use another ADP system, http://www.mockdraftcentral.com/report_adp.jsp has Lee at 35, and Gattis at 225 and Masterson at 219. There is no combination of 10th and 17th round picks in this league that is equal to Lee. There is no 10th and 17th picks in this draft that I would trade for Prince, my 2nd round pick.
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I3Iood
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posted March 18, 2014 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by speechjew:
Projections are subjective. Draft positions are not. Gattis is currently sitting at 178 in Yahoo and Masterson is sitting at 174. Cliff Lee is at 35. If you want to use another ADP system, http://www.mockdraftcentral.com/report_adp.jsp has Lee at 35, and Gattis at 225 and Masterson at 219. There is no combination of 10th and 17th round picks in this league that is equal to Lee. There is no 10th and 17th picks in this draft that I would trade for Prince, my 2nd round pick.
Draft positions are also subjective. If I reach on a guy or a guy falls what does that mean? His draft position is what it is. If you veto this now we will just push it through for teh first week of the season. Veto power should be for collusion only, not because you do not like a trade.
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JesusChristMD
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posted March 18, 2014 09:32 PM
Honestly if you "push it through" when everyone is against it I see no reason to play in a league like that.It's ridiculous that you would make that comment. __________________
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I3Iood
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posted March 18, 2014 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by speechjew:
There is no combination of 10th and 17th round picks in this league that is equal to Lee. There is no 10th and 17th picks in this draft that I would trade for Prince, my 2nd round pick.
I do not care about what the pick number of the person is. I want to make my team the best it can be, and I believe this trade will make my team much much better. Will this trade ruin the league? Will this trade make his team the best in the league? I think those are trades that are "grossly one sided". This trade is neither of them...
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I3Iood
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posted March 18, 2014 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by JesusChristMD:
Honestly if you "push it through" when everyone is against it I see no reason to play in a league like that.It's ridiculous that you would make that comment.
I do not see everyone else saying this has to be veto'd. There are 2 people saying it should be veto'd and 2 people ok with it. That will get it through.
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JesusChristMD
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posted March 18, 2014 10:11 PM
You don't get to count you and your trading partner as the 2 being "ok with it"Even your partner said it was one-sided. Something doesn't have to ruin a league to be one-sided but GJ on the generalities.
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pugowar
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posted March 19, 2014 03:32 AM
Ok lets just chill out guys.
This is a fun league. We assume by allowing you to join that your goal is to enjoy the year and you wont do something to destroy that for everyone else. Veto power should only be used in the case of collusion or someone obviously taking advantage of a child or the mentally unfit.
While I do not think this is a perfectly fair trade, I do not think that matters because I am not part of the trade and it ultimately will not ruin the competitive balance of this league. It is not going to destroy our league, but the direction this discussion is going may. Let's just move on and focus more on how we are going to have rosters filled and actually start playing fantasy baseball this year. I know you guys all know this but the draft is supposed to be the simplest part of the season! PS Magic expired again and Hili is on the clock.
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Demilio
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posted March 19, 2014 04:48 AM
Why not put the trade on hold for now and let it occur through Yahoo so it can actually get voted on.
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hilikuS
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posted March 19, 2014 05:49 AM
Really guys? You're going after the guy who's arguing for the short end of the trade. He's obviously fine with it, and knows what he's doing.One minute you're accusing him of scumbagging draft picks, the next minute you're saying his trades are ludicrously stupid? Can we get the story straight? pugowar, you are up.
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speechjew
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posted March 19, 2014 10:12 AM
The trade has been vetoed. Work something else out. You don't like it? Then you shouldn't have agreed to the rules before drafting. The trade is not fair. You wanna talk auction value? Lee is $26.1 Masterson is $3.3. Gattis is $3.2. It's not a perfect system, but I would expect trade values to be more similar than that. I3lood, you said I was unfair for forfeiting a pick because it wasn't in the rules. Now you're saying I'm being unfair because of something that is in the rules. You can't have it both ways.
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revenger
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posted March 19, 2014 11:12 AM
I don't foresee Blood continuing with this draft after the 3 things thats been done to him. Just my opinion. As for it being vetoed, I strongly knew it would be. no loss as nothing was gained. On that thought- i'm still looking for a Tier 1 OF and a Tier 2 (ish) SP. __________________
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nderdog
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posted March 19, 2014 12:24 PM
Since I'll be at work when my pick comes up, whether it's due to expired time or pug's pick, I'm grabbing a shortstop. Asdrubal Cabrera if pug doesn't take him, Jeter if he does. I really don't care if someone is stupid enough to snipe my picks.  __________________
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I3Iood
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posted March 19, 2014 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by revenger:
I don't foresee Blood continuing with this draft after the 3 things thats been done to him. Just my opinion. As for it being vetoed, I strongly knew it would be. no loss as nothing was gained. On that thought- i'm still looking for a Tier 1 OF and a Tier 2 (ish) SP.
I am continuing 100%. It is not my fault that people are very shortsighted. It is like republicans. Their father was a republican. Their fathers father was a republican. Their fathers fathers father was a republican. They are used to something so they stick with it. They do not like change. No matter how much sense someone makes to them, they are stuck in their ways. You can't not sign Pujols and if you let him walk your team is destroyed. What happened? They won a world series after he left. Just because I think outside the box does not make me a moron. That trade would have made my team the best in the league. I am willing to bet anyone in the league anything they want my team finishes higher then theirs this year with that trade through or not. Put the trade through and then put your money where your mouth is.
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pugowar
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posted March 19, 2014 03:45 PM
Glad to hear you are staying in!My pick is in and with Nder taking Ass-Drool Matt is up and Blood is on deck for 2! Do we want to continue with the draft for the last 3 rounds or do we want to submit lists with our players and have them assigned in order? Still havent really gotten an answer on this.
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I3Iood
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posted March 19, 2014 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by pugowar:
Glad to hear you are staying in!My pick is in and with Nder taking Ass-Drool Matt is up and Blood is on deck for 2! Do we want to continue with the draft for the last 3 rounds or do we want to submit lists with our players and have them assigned in order? Still havent really gotten an answer on this.
I do not care either way. I say we just end the draft after my 1 pick so we all have the same (anyone who is owed extra picks takes them after me). Then everyone is in free agency and you have to put waiver picks in.
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nderdog
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posted March 19, 2014 05:20 PM
I'm fine ending the draft now. We could try to get another round in, but that leaves little time to finalize rosters. If waivers are in effect, leaving the remaining spots open is fine, otherwise I'd prefer to auto-draft the remaining spots so that those who don't have time to get in right away and grab players aren't at a disadvantage.__________________
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