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Volcanon
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posted September 24, 2006 01:55 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon Click Here to Email Volcanon Send a private message to Volcanon Click to send Volcanon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
There are some people on here that have 150 refs or whatever but when you look its only like 30 MOTL refs. Then I get those idiots insisting I send first.

If people don't accept eBay positives, why are we accepting random/created refs?

 
Valmtg
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...because the ref request got sent to an e-mail address and the recipient replied and gave a reference.

Just trade based on how many MOTL refs they have. I did. I also wouldn't have a problem with everyone's non-MOTL refs getting removed if things came down to that.

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References are there for your information. If you don't want to send first to people with mostly non-MOTL refs, that's fine, it's entirely your choice. If someone wants to consider eBay refs, that's their choice as well.

The more information available, the better, no?

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eclinchy
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posted September 27, 2006 06:01 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for eclinchy Click Here to Email eclinchy Send a private message to eclinchy Click to send eclinchy an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
How exactly are people "idiots" for not wanting their hard work that went into trading go to waste?

Cut the MOTL elitism... references are references. No matter where they're from, they represent human beings who trade cards. They're not "idiots"... that's just ridiculous.

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Tha Gunslinga
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posted September 27, 2006 08:25 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Tha Gunslinga Click Here to Email Tha Gunslinga Send a private message to Tha Gunslinga Click to send Tha Gunslinga an Instant MessageVisit Tha Gunslinga's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Tha Gunslinga's Trade Auction or SaleView Tha Gunslinga's Trade Auction or Sale
quote:
Originally posted by eclinchy:

No matter where they're from, they represent human beings who trade cards.


Even Ebay references?

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eclinchy
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posted October 01, 2006 11:37 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for eclinchy Click Here to Email eclinchy Send a private message to eclinchy Click to send eclinchy an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Are you saying buying and selling shouldn't count? I haven't traded in a while, but doesn't the trade matcher have radio buttons for buyers, sellers and traders?

Ebay references are just as good as MOTL references, in my eyes. Even if you disagree, I doubt you'd go as far as to call people "idiots" for respecting them. Would you?

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Tha Gunslinga
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posted October 02, 2006 09:41 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Tha Gunslinga Click Here to Email Tha Gunslinga Send a private message to Tha Gunslinga Click to send Tha Gunslinga an Instant MessageVisit Tha Gunslinga's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Tha Gunslinga's Trade Auction or SaleView Tha Gunslinga's Trade Auction or Sale
Sure I would. Ebay is 100% different than MOTL. On ebay you ALWAYS pay first, and you have Ebay to police the transaction if things go wrong. You can also generate "legitimate" Ebay feedback for basically nothing, which you can't do on MOTL with the same ease.

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pyr0ma5ta
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posted October 03, 2006 04:32 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for pyr0ma5ta Click Here to Email pyr0ma5ta Send a private message to pyr0ma5ta Click to send pyr0ma5ta an Instant MessageVisit pyr0ma5ta's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Thing is, it's hard to differentiate randoms from references from sites that are reputable. I do some trading on MTGSalvation, for example, and do use those trades as refs here. I encourage them to join MOTL, but often they don't bother.

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Heckler
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posted October 04, 2006 06:57 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Heckler Click Here to Email Heckler Send a private message to Heckler Click to send Heckler an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Everyone here is different, there are some people who will only consider MTOL refs, while others will consider refs from several trading websites. Some consider ebay feedback the equivlant of a ref, some do not. Why not setup a script that would label where each ref orginiated from, and allow the user to seperate refs from different sources? Ebay refs may be a bit more difficult and possibily impractical, but at least email refs should be able to be seperated without excess difficultly.

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ronandaggy
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posted October 05, 2006 05:16 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for ronandaggy Send a private message to ronandaggy Click to send ronandaggy an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by pyr0ma5ta:
Thing is, it's hard to differentiate randoms from references from sites that are reputable. I do some trading on MTGSalvation, for example, and do use those trades as refs here. I encourage them to join MOTL, but often they don't bother.


I agree, another thing is if someone with 10000 ebay refs rips off someone here, it wont affect their ebay rating and such.
also, someone posted about people buying those ebook thingys for 1 cent and accumulating a ton of refs.

I dont see a need to refuse them though, if you dont like them just dont trade with said person or ignore them.

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crypticfreak1
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I have over 590 refs on E-bay but I think the reason a lot of people don't want to allow E-bay refs to count as refs when trading on here is that you can say you are someone else on e-bay if you are not. On here I am crypticfreak1, while on e-bay I am crypticfreakscards, and on top of that on cardshark I am crypticfreak1978. Between all three of those sites I have over 1,000 refs but when I do trades I only go by refs on here because people would wonder why I have 3 different names with three different sites. Telling people you have a lot of refs on e-bay under a different name and even the same name may make people suspicious and they may not want to do a trade at all because of that. You could very easily go on e-bay and find someone who has a ton of refs and then register here with the same name and say that those persons refs are yours. What I would suggest is that if someone wants to use their e-bay refs for a trade you should get their e-bay ID and e-mail them through e-bay to minimize the chances that it is not them.

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