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Originally posted by ronandaggy:

wow goas, that one hurt, i consider myself one of the nicer members around here.
thats like me saying you post even if you dont beleive in your argument just for the sake of winning your argument.

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Yeah, that's a pretty good comparison if you have reason to say that. I realize that it's not a very nice thing to admit to, but we're getting lost in the argument again: let's at least be honest about what we want to achieve. If it's all about protecting people, then it should be clear that the means are excessive and not wholly fair (at least not according the rules' current wording). If, on the other hand, this is (at least partly) about retribution, then it makes a lot of sense to try to "run scammers off" (not, of course, that there's any reason that it works--the offender can just delete the original post and start over, something that can't be done if a mod closes the thread). In any case, I don't think that we gain anything with vague rules that don't refer to anything concrete (such as the Price Guide or other MOTL rules)--we just wind up with a loose collection of contradictory edicts.

Obviously, I don't think any less of you guys for supporting the current rules, but you have to realize that as this rule currently stands, it can be pretty easily seen as vindictive and excessive (which is why I think that it needs to be toned down--it leaves a bad impression).

EDIT: Typo.
EDIT 2: Again, this isn't meant as a personal attack. What I'm trying to point out is that this is the interpretation that the rule as it sands lends itself to most immediately in my mind (which is why I posted here and why I think that it needs to be changed).

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----- Original Message -----
hey i did read your rules
hey,
I came back in to magic this year after a 1 1/2 off.so im back for some serious trading.so here are some of my cards,and the ones i need.plus my rules.so please lets trade,and have fun...
Rules:
1.No..i repeat No! rippers...
2.I would prefer simul-send..if you live out-side the U.S.A
3.Have fun trading.
4.if we trade please send in top loaders.thanx
you state that you prefer simu send (rule 2)
i have emailed you already
HIS
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yeah kno thats great you have more ref's then me..but that still doesn't change the fact that you live out-side the usa.and this isn't my first merry-go-round with online trading either.so i kno what it feels like to have been ripped off before..so please no worries here. okay..lets just honor my simple request of simul-send and everything will be fine .i can understand your not trying to be a prick okay.
thanx
MINE
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sorry dude i cant take the chance if you had like 10 refs then sure id simu but on 0 you are not going to find anyone who will do it
so either its you send first or we cant trade im sorry but thats my policy i have refs you have 0 so i cant do a simusend
HIS
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ok ..hmm...how about can u pick something other then my spiritmonger(foil-dci alt-art)...and then we have a deal for me sending 1st...lmk ok

So we negotiate another deal and he replies with

sent April 03, 2007 08:47 PM
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hmmm.ok no-prob then
ok i would really prefer simul-send.sence you live out-side the usa.i kno u have more refs then me but,i i would only do simul-send trading..ok..im sorry if this frustates you a bit..lmk ok
if ok..lmk and send me an e-mail of the trade,plus your addy....wait...i think ya did that already?!...lol

these kind of responses make me on the edge
he has 0 and is trying to get a simu
do i count him as a ripper or a noob who dont know better?

the reason why i havent ridiculed him yet is that we all start at 0 (unless i missed the free 100 ref pass) and we work from there
these have been pm's so there is no chance for mass ridicule from other members but if it were on my list would people flame him?
we have rules for a reason and by becoming MOTLers we agree to abide by the MOTL decree if that gives us the right to shame wrong doers then so be it i will accept any flaming for my wrongdoings as should any other member (with 100 refs or 0)

However, I do have a question for you. If the other guy posted his rules in his list about the not sending first outside of USA rule, why do you still post on his thread? Do you expect that because you have more refs than him that he is supposed to change his rules for you? MOTL doesn't state that ref determines sending. People post their own rules on their list because not everyone follows the same rules. I would expect that if you post on someone's thread, it means you have read his rules and that you are okay with them. Otherwise, it's your option to find someone else to trade with.

I don't necessary agree that the guy is trying to rip you. He probably prefers not to send outside of US, hence the simul-send rule. It seems he is willing to send first if traded within US.

oh, and btw. our friend in the above example...
his next sales list,
"you send first, Unless you have 100 refs"

see how the rule worked there, not the biggest step but a step none the less

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Originally posted by ronandaggy:
i think youre looking for the pfs, or bta if i manage to read everything.

oh, and btw. our friend in the above example...
his next sales list,
"you send first, Unless you have 100 refs, i can do COD"
now hes since edited it but it was there, beleive it or not.

see how the rule worked there, not the biggest step but a step none the less

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I mean, theres cardshark, findmagiccards.com, and others.

MOTL guide is not the only one that should be reviewed.

Thank you,

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Originally posted by quasargaming:
Am I the only one that knows of more than one market base besides the MOTL price guide?

I mean, theres cardshark, findmagiccards.com, and others.

MOTL guide is not the only one that should be reviewed.

Thank you,

QG

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Uhhh...what exactly does this have to do with a very old discussion of the rule regarding harassment? I fail to see any relevance to the discussion you posted on or a suggestion for changes to MOTL.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
Uhhh...what exactly does this have to do with a very old discussion of the rule regarding harassment? I fail to see any relevance to the discussion you posted on or a suggestion for changes to MOTL.

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I believe he thinks he is being harassed for not using the MOTL price guide.

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