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Originally posted by Matt Conroy:
It sounds like you are looking for the exclude tag. Just put the word exclude [here] and [/here] and it will exclude the cards between them. That will take care of your list, as far as other people are concerned there isn't much you can do to enforce the exclude tags use.

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Just so people understand, the exclude tag is to mark smaller cards that you don't really want to show up in the trade matcher because they're just crap commons or something. It is not acceptable to use it to list cards that aren't for trade or the like. If it's on your list, it's available for trade, no questions asked.

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My suggestion is to create an option for the trade matcher that would filter out results from cards that each trader both has and wants. Key word: option. It would be very useful for realistic people like myself who just want to trade and are getting quite sick of posting offers for cards that people have absolutely no intention of trading.

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Originally posted by da_spike:
People list the same cards in both their haves and wants. Sometimes, it's because they both have them for trade and are willing to trade for them. Most of the time it's simply to attract people to their lists.

My suggestion is to create an option for the trade matcher that would filter out results from cards that each trader both has and wants. Key word: option. It would be very useful for realistic people like myself who just want to trade and are getting quite sick of posting offers for cards that people have absolutely no intention of trading.

Reporting to mods is pointless, there's no way to prove someone isn't willing to trade something. Besides, people always use the excuse that if they got a good enough offer they would trade, which is true of anyone really. If you're going to overpay enough so that I can sell the cards and buy the cards I traded to you and still have something left over I'm obviously going to do it. But it really makes trading difficult because most people's lists are full of stuff they're not realistically going to cough up for anything less than a fortune.

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That's an often bad assumption on your part. Before I changed my focus, I often had cards on both my haves and wants list, and never expected people to trade heavily in my favor to let them go. Different people trade different ways, and just because it's not how you do it, that doesn't mean they're breaking rules or expecting people to offer very unbalanced trades.

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A lot of times when people have cards on both lists, it basically means something like: "I want this card. I have this card too, and I'll trade it - but only if I get something I want even more than I want this card." It does happen with some frequency and isn't too rare. (Just to clarify, cards that are ONLY on haves don't have the "but only" clause. It's assumed that they want the cards on their want list more than the cards they have on their have list.)

I used to browse lists when I had the time (and a lot more worthwhile cards for trade) and I'd see quite a bit of lists with cards with "only if the deal is in my favor!" or "only trading up to p9!" by them. A ton of these cards are listed twice, they're usually higher-end stuff like Mana Drains or currency cards like Duals. I actually have tried offering for cards like that before and they basically just ignore me or ask if I'm interested in anything else that's on their list because they don't want to trade those cards for the cards I was offering.

What I do is basically another variation of it: If I list a card in both my wants and haves, it means I'm basically using that card as currency. I'll trade the card for its value and not ask for more than it's realistically worth, but only for the cards I really do want for my decks or collection. Trading currency cards for other currency cards at a fair deal leads to losing value due to shipping, because I'm only trading for currency cards to try to trade them off for deck/collection wants. It'd be like shipping a $50 bill for two $20s and a $10.

Neither of the above are breaking rules, nor are they expecting unbalanced trades, but it does make those cards more difficult to trade and to trade for in some way.

The option to filter those cards would just remove the gambling aspect. You don't have to guess whether the guy will trade x card for y card, or if he'll only trade x card for z card. That aspect is in all trades, but usually when people have a card that they don't also want, they're open to more offers on them.

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Originally posted by da_spike:
What do you mean? MOTL is for trading magic cards, anything that facilitates that is a good thing. What exactly is a "dealer" anyway? Do you just mean someone with a ton of cards and a high volume of trading / selling / buying? If so, there's nothing wrong with that, it's great. But MOTL isn't just for "dealers" - it's for everyone.

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No, I'm referring to the exact people you say you're trying to avoid. Those who are just trying to make unbalanced trades in their favor for profit.

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