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Topic: Add Quantities in the Trade Matcher
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Mr.C Member
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posted June 05, 2008 10:06 PM
Topic. Should be doable, right? I mean, sure, someone has Kyren Toy in the middle of their messed up list, but, it the trade matcher could match quantities, say, you want 1, they have, two, and it would show up in the trade matcher under 'Person Has' '1x Kyren Toy', or if they have 4, and you want three, it would show up '3x Kyren toy'. It would make things SO easy...should be doable, no?
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nderdog Moderator
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posted June 06, 2008 10:45 AM
Is it doable? Yeah. Will it work? Not very well. The problem is that different people have different formats for their lists. As we've seen with sets, even when there's a "right" way to do things, a lot of people won't do it.Offhand, you could list the same cards like: 1 Gruul Nodorog 1x Gruul Nodorog Gruul Nodorog - 1 Gruul Nodorog x1 Gruul Nodorog 1x Gruul Nodorog (1) and who knows how many other ways people might come up with. While the easiest way to do this is to just look for number, but then you run into headaches with the core sets...10th, 9th, 8th. It would be nice to have, but getting people to buy in and set up their lists properly would be a nightmare. __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here!All your Gruul Nodorogs are belong to me. Trade them to me, please! Report rules violations.
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Mr.C Member
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posted June 07, 2008 06:31 PM
There's a site, http://apathyhouse.com/, when you use the trade matcher, it works fine, indpendently of how you input the quantities.And the trade matcher doesn't get editions correctly anyway, so it doesn't really matter that much.
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nderdog Moderator
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posted June 07, 2008 07:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mr.C: There's a site, http://apathyhouse.com/, when you use the trade matcher, it works fine, indpendently of how you input the quantities.And the trade matcher doesn't get editions correctly anyway, so it doesn't really matter that much.
It all depends on how the editions are listed. There are combinations that confuse it. It's fine for Apathy House, because you can just change it real quick and rerun the compare, but for trade matching, you can't just go edit everyone's list that it can't figure out. The trade matcher only doesn't get editions only if people don't put them in correctly. Granted, that's most of them, which is why a standard format that would make comparing numbers easily doable - people don't want to take the time to learn how to do things the right way, they just want to do it their way. __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here!All your Gruul Nodorogs are belong to me. Trade them to me, please! Report rules violations.
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coolio Member
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posted June 10, 2008 10:16 AM
shrug, I dont see the point.. if you're trying to obtain larger cards.. there's the high probability, you have to search multiple lists, and trade with multiple ppl to get the qty you need. many problems can arise.. you dont have enuff they want, etc. etc... you're going to have to look thru more than a few lists, and drop more than a few offers anyway. how is this supposed to be vaguely helpful?© __________________
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Matt Conroy Member
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posted June 10, 2008 12:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by coolio: shrug, I dont see the point.. if you're trying to obtain larger cards.. there's the high probability, you have to search multiple lists, and trade with multiple ppl to get the qty you need. many problems can arise.. you dont have enuff they want, etc. etc... you're going to have to look thru more than a few lists, and drop more than a few offers anyway. how is this supposed to be vaguely helpful?©
Well say I am looking for a playset of Lightning Bolts or something in the $1-$2 range. They are probably not worth trading for as singles due to shipping. But if you can swap a $4-$8 card for a playset you are good. In this case peopel with 1 don't help you, but people with 4 do... Edit: I can't type today
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Matt Conroy on June 10, 2008]
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Volcanon Member
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posted June 10, 2008 10:19 PM
Why don't we have the matcher do language too. Make a set syntax for people, such as Japanese = "JPN" or "Japanese" For quantities: 4 of something = "4x", "x4", "4 ", etc.
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nderdog Moderator
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posted June 11, 2008 08:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: Why don't we have the matcher do language too. Make a set syntax for people, such as Japanese = "JPN" or "Japanese" For quantities: 4 of something = "4x", "x4", "4 ", etc.
It's been brought up before, and pointed out many times that with as many people that can't even use the foil tags, adding more tags with multiple language codes and adding in that many people don't know what asian language is what as well as confusing other languages, it seems like an exercise in futility to spend time adding in code to handle something to be ignored by a lot of people. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have these features so I could get rid of my crappy foreigns and find people who had the right number of cards needed for each of my playsets I need to finish, but I have to look at it realistically and think of the impact that those who don't follow the standards will have on the overall usefulness of additional tags and counts and such. __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here!All your Gruul Nodorogs are belong to me. Trade them to me, please! Report rules violations.
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caquaa Member
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posted June 11, 2008 10:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: Why don't we have the matcher do language too. Make a set syntax for people, such as Japanese = "JPN" or "Japanese" For quantities: 4 of something = "4x", "x4", "4 ", etc.
How many lists have you seen w/ cards listed as "korean" and they come from a set after saga? I've seen this numerous times searching for Korean cards. I bought a "Japanese" oath of druids from ebay only to get sent a Korean one... thankfully they had a pic and I was wanting Korean. Languages matter so much, especially with new cards that have such a huge amount of Chinese floating around people are bound to mislist it as Japanese or just not know and want to list it as "asian". Best bet is to do searches of h/w lists (but not the search specific to h/w) and just drop in all the generic terms (asian, japanese, jap, chinese, chi, etc) you're after and skim the lists. Its very time consuming and typically just posting a buy list is faster.
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ArcanePie Member
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posted June 18, 2008 10:24 AM
It's not hard at all. I have alot of experience with string parsing algorithms. It's actually extremely easy to do.MTGsalvation has a quantity display as well. Edit, let me go into details: We know that magic cards do not contain numbers in the name, unless it is the word representation (not the numeric). So the characteristics of quantity are as follows: First numeric symbol on each line that isn't connected to a $ symbol. Under those rules you could do any of the following: 4x Lightning Bolt 4 Lightning Bolt Lightning Bolt - 4 Lightning Bolt - 4!!! Value: 1$ Lightning Bolt - 4 $1.50 (5$ playset!) x4 Lightning Bolt $1.00 ea Lightning Bolt x4 etc.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by ArcanePie on June 18, 2008]
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nderdog Moderator
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posted June 18, 2008 10:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by ArcanePie: It's not hard at all. I have alot of experience with string parsing algorithms. It's actually extremely easy to do.MTGsalvation has a quantity display as well. Edit, let me go into details: We know that magic cards do not contain numbers in the name, unless it is the word representation (not the numeric). So the characteristics of quantity are as follows: First numeric symbol on each line that isn't connected to a $ symbol. Under those rules you could do any of the following: 4x Lightning Bolt 4 Lightning Bolt Lightning Bolt - 4 Lightning Bolt - 4!!! Value: 1$ Lightning Bolt - 4 $1.50 (5$ playset!) x4 Lightning Bolt $1.00 ea Lightning Bolt x4 etc.
Except you're completely wrong, as I've noted already. 4th Lightning Bolt - 2 is a completely valid way to list a card, but your method will incorrectly list it as 4 instead of 2 for the quantity. It's not the string parsing that presents the problem, it's the sheer number of ways that cards can be listed that is impossible to account for. The only way to make it work is to specify certain criteria for how the cards should be listed, and as has been proven with foil tags, editions and other features, you simply can't get even most people to adhere to such a standard. __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here!All your Gruul Nodorogs are belong to me. Trade them to me, please! Report rules violations. Remember the Auctions Board!
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