I suggest you stop trolling the suggestions forum, or I'll smack you.

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Originally posted by JayC:
Ya you guys hear that? Challenge the masters and theyll beat you down. Dont think. Obey. Joke.

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For someone who clearly hates MOTL, you do spend an awful lot of time here. Whining about being "beat down" by someone simply pointing out that your statement is not at all truthful looks pretty silly. Keep it up and I'll be happy to relieve you of the pain of having to deal with this site.

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Originally posted by JayC:
Ya you guys hear that? Challenge the masters and theyll beat you down. Dont think. Obey. Joke.

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I totally got the joke!

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
There have been many suggestions taken from this forum and put into service.

I suggest you stop trolling the suggestions forum, or I'll smack you.

Thanks,
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and this one too!

at least I thought they were joking cuz of the little and the word...joke.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
For someone who clearly hates MOTL, you do spend an awful lot of time here. Whining about being "beat down" by someone simply pointing out that your statement is not at all truthful looks pretty silly. Keep it up and I'll be happy to relieve you of the pain of having to deal with this site.

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How did you decipher that I HATE MOTL? Being an adult is about honesty. adult relationships are about honesty . I have a long lasting relationship with this site. This isn't a troll. It's an honest conversation and frustration. When I pose the question I'm threatened with banning. I find that highly unprofessional and ridiculous.

Ive been on this site for a bajillion years. Looks exactly the same. Hell even saw the same eudo ads from the p9 events I went to 6 years ago rotating around but I'm a troll for pointing that kind of thing out and catch the threats for it.

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Originally posted by JayC:
How did you decipher that I HATE MOTL? Being an adult is about honesty. adult relationships are about honesty . I have a long lasting relationship with this site. This isn't a troll. It's an honest conversation and frustration. When I pose the question I'm threatened with banning. I find that highly unprofessional and ridiculous.

Ive been on this site for a bajillion years. Looks exactly the same. Hell even saw the same eudo ads from the p9 events I went to 6 years ago rotating around but I'm a troll for pointing that kind of thing out and catch the threats for it.

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Obvious troll is obvious.

You open with a dishonest statement that no suggestions are ever acted upon and recommend closing a forum that is very useful for bouncing ideas for improvement as if any response other than "absolutely, we'll get right on that" is wasting everyone's time. When someone notes that you're wrong in your assumption you then attack them and say that no one's allowed to think for themselves, which is ridiculous.

Yes, trolling is always going to get you in trouble and ultimately banned. This isn't the first time you've made derogatory comments about MOTL, and I'd be shocked if it was the last. If you devoted a fraction of the effort you've spent mindlessly bashing MOTL into working to make things better maybe you wouldn't be so bitter and negative.

I did get a good laugh about you saying how being an adult is about honesty when you've avoided anything resembling honesty in your complaints.

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But then I deleted it because I didn't want to be told AGAIN "if you don't like it you can leave". That should tell you something.

I think OP was voicing his frustration. And even though I do not think his post was the best way to do so, I don't think he's running some joke or troll to denigrate this site which so many of us call home. It's just frustration. And whenever members of this community voice their frustration about features, options, delays, bugs, or whatever, it'd be nice to occasionally get a "Yeah we'd absolutely love to do that, but our hands are tied." or some other empathetic response that isn't "I'll smack you" or "Like it or leave" or "Quit wasting our time".

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Originally posted by nderdog:
Obvious troll is obvious.

You open with a dishonest statement that no suggestions are ever acted upon and recommend closing a forum that is very useful for bouncing ideas for improvement as if any response other than "absolutely, we'll get right on that" is wasting everyone's time. When someone notes that you're wrong in your assumption you then attack them and say that no one's allowed to think for themselves, which is ridiculous.

Yes, trolling is always going to get you in trouble and ultimately banned. This isn't the first time you've made derogatory comments about MOTL, and I'd be shocked if it was the last. If you devoted a fraction of the effort you've spent mindlessly bashing MOTL into working to make things better maybe you wouldn't be so bitter and negative.

I did get a good laugh about you saying how being an adult is about honesty when you've avoided anything resembling honesty in your complaints.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:

it'd be nice to occasionally get a "Yeah we'd absolutely love to do that, but our hands are tied." or some other empathetic response that isn't "I'll smack you" or "Like it or leave" or "Quit wasting our time".

Just an opinion.

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Seriously MW? Just HOW many times do we have to say those words, because they HAVE been said. Many times. And people RARELY get an "I'll smack you" for posting a suggestion unless it's a trollish suggestion. By the way, I WAS teasing JayC, as you posted... hense the " " at the end of my post. Yeesh, perhaps your suggestion should be I shouldn't try to be funny anymore??

You're making it sound FAR FAR worse than it is! Our hands ARE tied, as Mods we can DO NOTHING in regards to changing this site or it's rules. You all know that, why do we need to constantly repeat ourselves?

And all the threads that I can think of at the moment that got any sort of "quit wasting our time" response, were people posting suggestions for things because they're too lazy to do it the way it's already set up for! And, IIRC, some MEMBERS posted it as well, not just us Mods!

There are ways to post suggestions, or contacting people, about site upgrades and what you'd like to see other than how JayC went about it here. I have to agree with nder that posting untruths about how the suggestions forum is NEVER helpful or utilized was not the way to go about it. And Jay, I will also have to agree with nder that you've been rather hostile towards MOTL and I don't understand it. Yes, the site is a bit outdated and it frustrates us ALL, not just members, but the staff as well. But it's what we've got and frankly, I'd rather be here than at ANY other forum on the internet.

You all know how much I love MOTL and all of you and it can get rather upsetting when you post something, MW, that basically says we're just not doing enough. We try our best but there's only so much we can do.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
I just typed out a long reply including bringing up statistics from the last 100 days of suggestions and the responses from moderators towards those suggestions, and how many of them actually were "Acted On" or received anything but a negative response.

But then I deleted it because I didn't want to be told AGAIN "if you don't like it you can leave". That should tell you something.

I think OP was voicing his frustration. And even though I do not think his post was the best way to do so, I don't think he's running some joke or troll to denigrate this site which so many of us call home. It's just frustration. And whenever members of this community voice their frustration about features, options, delays, bugs, or whatever, it'd be nice to occasionally get a "Yeah we'd absolutely love to do that, but our hands are tied." or some other empathetic response that isn't "I'll smack you" or "Like it or leave" or "Quit wasting our time".

Just an opinion.

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There's a world of difference between making suggestions and just trolling. People who make an effort to be helpful and actually offer suggestions to improve the site get an appropriate response. People who are posting just to be a jerk, making snide remarks or being generally completely unhelpful are reminded that if they're not happy they can go elsewhere. It's all about whether they're trying to make things better or just trying to cause problems and stir the pot.

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Jaz, you take offense to some statements that, while they may sound inclusive of all mods, they are more likely directed at one (Jeff) or some (Jeff, Ben) of the mods that don't include you, but are stated as such so as not to bluntly imply that they are directed at one such mod. I know I have made statements, sometimes on other websites, about the 'mods' that then led to indignation (Jaz) and even some threats from certain mods (Nouv, Jeff) of banning, or invitations to leave my beloved MOTL. I would just suggest that if a statement is made that is not complimentary of the mods but it seems like it shouldn't apply to you, then it probably doesn't but is stated as such so as to not be directed at anyone in particular (Jeff).

Saying 'like it or leave', or threats of banning in response to criticism is very unmodly. (and definitely unJazly)<---this means I don't think you have ever said this

In the mods' defense (all of them), folks, they are human, they do a tough, necessary and thankless job that I don't want and they are succeptible to the same human frailties and constraints that we all are. They also have limited powers to change or manage the site that we all love and use FOR FREE!!!, so please CUT THEM SOME SLACK!

And please, if something I said offends you, you are probably misinterpretting me. <--- see the smiley face there, that means I'm smiling (Jeff) (and winking)

First, I want to reiterate - I don't hate this site. I'm here for all these years for a reason. It's not like I'm a big dealer, I make or lose a few bucks here or there, and play this game - but I don't need this site - I clearly enjoy it on some level - there is a community here worth talking to about value, and you can find anything you need - that's a great tool to have.

Do I say negative things about the site? Yes, so what? I say negative things about the country - is this the "move to Canada speech" from you? It should always be OK to express how you feel about something so long as you actually contribute - to this site, or to your society. I do contribute. I have many trades here, have met friends or at least acquaintances and add to the enormous pool or resources. I participated in secret Santa last year for the first time, etc, etc. I'm not all bad... hell, my attitude cannot be any worse than Stu's for god sake.

I am just so sick of looking at this site and the same layout, banners from 1998, and prehistoric software - I could cry. I offered to buy this website at one point, but never received a response. I would pay real money, thousands of dollars, maybe even 5 figures - but obviously that's not an option. I'm sure I'm not the first to try. Not many people here can say that they could / would do that, or tried.

I don't blame any mods for the lack of action or response, at all. I don't have a problem with any mods here, none. I don't hold you responsible, not one bit.

My post is meant to create attention in the hopes of action - not to just be a thorn in someones side. Just as my attempt to purchase the site was. I will never understand the situation surrounding this site, the aloof owners - it is, quite simply, such a huge opportunity wasted, a raisin in the sun, to say the least. I don't mean to suggest the site isn't successful in it's own right - it is, but I see so much potential wasted here it's hard to not express my feelings about it. I'm not suggesting neon lights and craziness, because sometimes more isn't better - I just think there's a lot of room for growth AND revenue, quite frankly.

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Originally posted by JayC:

I've been communicating via mobile on this thread, but now have a few minutes on a PC that I'll try to address some things.

First, I want to reiterate - I don't hate this site. I'm here for all these years for a reason. It's not like I'm a big dealer, I make or lose a few bucks here or there, and play this game - but I don't need this site - I clearly enjoy it on some level - there is a community here worth talking to about value, and you can find anything you need - that's a great tool to have.

Do I say negative things about the site? Yes, so what? I say negative things about the country - is this the "move to Canada speech" from you? It should always be OK to express how you feel about something so long as you actually contribute - to this site, or to your society. I do contribute. I have many trades here, have met friends or at least acquaintances and add to the enormous pool or resources. I participated in secret Santa last year for the first time, etc, etc. I'm not all bad... hell, my attitude cannot be any worse than Stu's for god sake.

I am just so sick of looking at this site and the same layout, banners from 1998, and prehistoric software - I could cry. I offered to buy this website at one point, but never received a response. I would pay real money, thousands of dollars, maybe even 5 figures - but obviously that's not an option. I'm sure I'm not the first to try. Not many people here can say that they could / would do that, or tried.

I don't blame any mods for the lack of action or response, at all. I don't have a problem with any mods here, none. I don't hold you responsible, not one bit.

My post is meant to create attention in the hopes of action - not to just be a thorn in someones side. Just as my attempt to purchase the site was. I will never understand the situation surrounding this site, the aloof owners - it is, quite simply, such a huge opportunity wasted, a raisin in the sun, to say the least. I don't mean to suggest the site isn't successful in it's own right - it is, but I see so much potential wasted here it's hard to not express my feelings about it. I'm not suggesting neon lights and craziness, because sometimes more isn't better - I just think there's a lot of room for growth AND revenue, quite frankly.

Anyhow, I hope it's clear where I'm coming from now, and you (the staff) have a better perspective of me on this topic.

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See, you can express yourself in an appropriate manner!

In all honesty, if this had been your tone from the beginning it would have created a much more positive response and given everyone a chance to discuss your concerns rather than focus on what can easily be perceived as baseless bashing of the site.

From my understanding, the site is unlikely to ever be sold. Honestly, I would hate to see MOTL become a revenue source for someone, because that goes against the spirit of what this site is.

I really don't mind the overall site layout. I much prefer it to most of the other places that call themselves a Magic discussion site. Just because you can have pictures and avatars and rainbow colors doesn't mean that you should. Cutting back on the ways that someone can annoy everyone with their formatting choices means that we can focus more on the content of the post. I sincerely hope that the next version of MOTL keeps that in mind. Yes, some enhancements such as the ability to sticky posts or fine-tune searching in the T/A and Sales forum to be able to find cards that are only being offered OR looking for rather than both would be nice, but that takes time.

We've all seen some evidence of a new site coming. I can't say what the status or timeframe is on the project, but the new main page is proof that it's not just idle discussion. I will say that we will need to be patient. The site is heavily customized with the ref system, karma and other specialized features, so it's not a simple "install new software, copy data, go live" project. If nouveaux wants to address it, great, but he's really the only one who can speak to how it's coming along.

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I really don't mind the overall site layout. I much prefer it to most of the other places that call themselves a Magic discussion site. Just because you can have pictures and avatars and rainbow colors doesn't mean that you should.

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My thoughts exactly. Although a bit bland, I prefer this sites' layout to many, if not all other Magic related sites.

Some things I wouldn't mind seeing:

-When posting your H/W list, it should be optional to include the set that the card is from. That way, if I search for Black Vise (am looking for Beta/Alpha ones), I don't get all those RV/4th edition ones. The function that exists now doesn't work.
-Adding tournament information (perhaps even globally??)
-Increasing options to post decklists and tournament reports. The current Deck Help section is..really sub-par compared to other sites. That is partly due to the people around here of course and their interests, but I wouldn't mind if there were sub-Forums for Vintage/Legacy, Modern, EDH/Cube, Standard and Other.
-Removing the Auction Forum. I can't believe I've ever seen 10 auctions in total during my time here in there.

I'm sure there's more, I might come up with some stuff later. I am curious to see the new site, whenever it will be up.

Last but not least, I know we're all human and have lives (at least I do) outside of MOTL, but I wouldn't mind seeing some more updates from Nouveaux or Leshrac about the plans, or anything. I was very happy to see Nouveaux post about the store (which, by the way, should be accessible from within the site, which I believe it is not at this point) and the discussion that it spawned, but haven't seen him around since.

Also, if there is any help that they need, there's a large group of (committed) people here in various degrees that can offer help/expertise.

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I just visited the Auction Board. It's not update and there's nothing in there. Just merge it with the TA/Sales thread. Basically an Auction list (with the hammer) is the same.

I also visited The Tome via the Articles Forum. It hasn't been updated since 2002 (Saw a vintage decklist that included Adarkar Wastes, which, cool as I think Painlands are, is quite out of date).

Put new life into it! That is exactly some stuff that I would like to see. Especially deck Primers (would be a part of my proposed update Deck section) would be an addition. Other magic-related articles could fit right in. I'm sure there are enough links to fill it and people that would write pieces.

If no interest for this, then remove it. I don't believe there have been many visitors lately.
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Originally posted by AEther Storm:
My thoughts exactly. Although a bit bland, I prefer this sites' layout to many, if not all other Magic related sites.

Some things I wouldn't mind seeing:

-When posting your H/W list, it should be optional to include the set that the card is from. That way, if I search for Black Vise (am looking for Beta/Alpha ones), I don't get all those RV/4th edition ones. The function that exists now doesn't work.
-Adding tournament information (perhaps even globally??)
-Increasing options to post decklists and tournament reports. The current Deck Help section is..really sub-par compared to other sites. That is partly due to the people around here of course and their interests, but I wouldn't mind if there were sub-Forums for Vintage/Legacy, Modern, EDH/Cube, Standard and Other.
-Removing the Auction Forum. I can't believe I've ever seen 10 auctions in total during my time here in there.

I'm sure there's more, I might come up with some stuff later. I am curious to see the new site, whenever it will be up.

Last but not least, I know we're all human and have lives (at least I do) outside of MOTL, but I wouldn't mind seeing some more updates from Nouveaux or Leshrac about the plans, or anything. I was very happy to see Nouveaux post about the store (which, by the way, should be accessible from within the site, which I believe it is not at this point) and the discussion that it spawned, but haven't seen him around since.

Also, if there is any help that they need, there's a large group of (committed) people here in various degrees that can offer help/expertise.

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I just visited the Auction Board. It's not update and there's nothing in there. Just merge it with the TA/Sales thread. Basically an Auction list (with the hammer) is the same.

I also visited The Tome via the Articles Forum. It hasn't been updated since 2002 (Saw a vintage decklist that included Adarkar Wastes, which, cool as I think Painlands are, is quite out of date).

Put new life into it! That is exactly some stuff that I would like to see. Especially deck Primers (would be a part of my proposed update Deck section) would be an addition. Other magic-related articles could fit right in. I'm sure there are enough links to fill it and people that would write pieces.

If no interest for this, then remove it. I don't believe there have been many visitors lately.

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Sets are a bit tricky to pull off. There is a proper format to list them in that will make the searches work properly, but very few either know or follow that, so they generally show up incorrectly. The H/W list would need to be pretty majorly redesigned to make it easier, but there are some issues. If you don't require people to put in a set in a certain way, then we'll always be where we are now. If we force them to include a set we have 2 new problems. One is that it may be impossible to list new cards until the set update is applied, which could be an issue. The other is that large lists would be very difficult and time-consuming to post.

We're experimenting with a thread for tournament announcements in Magic Discussion, but it hasn't seemed to take off too well. A calendar-style approach might be interesting, but we'd need to include location filters so that it's not overwhelming to find tournaments in your area in the sea of options.

Additional icons for the deck help forum are definitely needed. Hopefully WotC is done changing things around for a while.

The Auction Forum has the potential to work well, but it's going to need at least some increased visibility on the site. Very few people know it exists, and even for those of us that do, it's easily forgotten as it's pretty hidden. I'd prefer to see that grow into what it could be that just add cash auctions to the Trade and Sales Forum, but it needs a bit of attention.

The Tome is a special case. It was shuttered for reasons completely unrelated to it's usefulness and potential. Now that time has passed (and most of the people involved in the controversy have either left or grown up some) I wouldn't mind seeing if we can get it started again and use the lessons from the past to make it more successful this time.

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Sets are a bit tricky to pull off. There is a proper format to list them in that will make the searches work properly, but very few either know or follow that, so they generally show up incorrectly. The H/W list would need to be pretty majorly redesigned to make it easier, but there are some issues. If you don't require people to put in a set in a certain way, then we'll always be where we are now. If we force them to include a set we have 2 new problems. One is that it may be impossible to list new cards until the set update is applied, which could be an issue. The other is that large lists would be very difficult and time-consuming to post.

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I understand, this would arguably the hardest to pull off. But I don't mind seeing less long lists.
Uh, oh, sorry nder

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We're experimenting with a thread for tournament announcements in Magic Discussion, but it hasn't seemed to take off too well. A calendar-style approach might be interesting, but we'd need to include location filters so that it's not overwhelming to find tournaments in your area in the sea of options.

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I have been posting 3 tournament reports in the course of this year. I know everybody likes to read them, so if we can get a few guys to post a few of these (MagicOnline drafts can be fun to read, too) this can probably take off. There are enough of us in the MD and GD that not only talk poop but actually play, too.
Honestly I haven't seen the tournament announcements but I'll look it up in a sec.

EDIT: I looked for posts 45 days ago, but couldn't find it unless I blatantly missed it. This DEFINITELY needs to be a Sticky. See my next lines..

A Dutch site, known for it's Magic calendar, is using the following method:

-One Sticky Post for all the Grand Tournaments (GP, GPQ, etc). So they made a Sticky Post for this, and in that post is a link to a calendar style where you can see the tournaments and links to those tournaments)
-One Sticky Post for other tournaments. (I suppose for the US one can make a few Sticky Posts, 1 for Eternal Formats, 1 for Standard)
-One Sticky Post for regular playing venues, FNM's. Though I suspect this is too much, as here in The Netherlands we have only so many places one can play FNM.

Perhaps an idea.

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The Auction Forum has the potential to work well, but it's going to need at least some increased visibility on the site. Very few people know it exists, and even for those of us that do, it's easily forgotten as it's pretty hidden. I'd prefer to see that grow into what it could be that just add cash auctions to the Trade and Sales Forum, but it needs a bit of attention.

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I always go there after I've updated my reflist, it's the shortest way back to the main site .

I still think a merger would be a good option. It will clear up some design space (I assume this costs Server Memory) and it is basically done anyway in the Trade/Auction and Sale Forum. But that's me.

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The Tome is a special case. It was shuttered for reasons completely unrelated to it's usefulness and potential. Now that time has passed (and most of the people involved in the controversy have either left or grown up some) I wouldn't mind seeing if we can get it started again and use the lessons from the past to make it more successful this time.

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Give it a whirl I say!

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I understand, this would arguably the hardest to pull off. But I don't mind seeing less long lists.
Uh, oh, sorry nder

I have been posting 3 tournament reports in the course of this year. I know everybody likes to read them, so if we can get a few guys to post a few of these (MagicOnline drafts can be fun to read, too) this can probably take off. There are enough of us in the MD and GD that not only talk poop but actually play, too.
Honestly I haven't seen the tournament announcements but I'll look it up in a sec.

EDIT: I looked for posts 45 days ago, but couldn't find it unless I blatantly missed it. This DEFINITELY needs to be a Sticky. See my next lines..

A Dutch site, known for it's Magic calendar, is using the following method:

-One Sticky Post for all the Grand Tournaments (GP, GPQ, etc). So they made a Sticky Post for this, and in that post is a link to a calendar style where you can see the tournaments and links to those tournaments)
-One Sticky Post for other tournaments. (I suppose for the US one can make a few Sticky Posts, 1 for Eternal Formats, 1 for Standard)
-One Sticky Post for regular playing venues, FNM's. Though I suspect this is too much, as here in The Netherlands we have only so many places one can play FNM.

Perhaps an idea.

I always go there after I've updated my reflist, it's the shortest way back to the main site .

I still think a merger would be a good option. It will clear up some design space (I assume this costs Server Memory) and it is basically done anyway in the Trade/Auction and Sale Forum. But that's me.

Give it a whirl I say!

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Hey, long lists are great for some of us!

Stickies are the key issue right now. Hopefully the new site will have such a feature but at this time, it's not possible. If we do get them implemented, there are quite a few things that they'll be useful for.

Tournament announcements I could almost see in their own forum. Tournament reports, decklists, that kind of thing might be more appropriate in The Tome, if that is revived.

My biggest concern with putting cash auctions in with Trade Auctions and Sales is that I suspect sales lists will suffer or this site could become an Ebay clone. From a moderation standpoint, the way the current auction boards are set up are better, as bids or offers can't be deleted causing complaints and headaches that we already see from time to time with trade auctions.

I do appreciate the time and thought that you've put into how to make things better!

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Hey, long lists are great for some of us!

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Ah man, it reminds me of the time I collected. My list was too long..

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Tournament announcements I could almost see in their own forum. Tournament reports, decklists, that kind of thing might be more appropriate in The Tome, if that is revived.

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Decklists, as in deck Help, should be just were they are. But Tournament reports, draft reports, etc, those can be in the Tome.

By the way, LMK where that thread is where you can post them. I played an Online draft yesterday and am more than happy to share my results with those interested (2-1).

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My biggest concern with putting cash auctions in with Trade Auctions and Sales is that I suspect sales lists will suffer or this site could become an Ebay clone. From a moderation standpoint, the way the current auction boards are set up are better, as bids or offers can't be deleted causing complaints and headaches that we already see from time to time with trade auctions.

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I understand. Speaking of the Auction section, I noticed there isn't a guideline for it.
There is a general guideline (but you have to know where to look, the link to it is very small and once you click it you have to scroll down too far to see the beginning) but it doesn't cover much.

In the MD there is a link to the Forum Rules (again, easily overlooked although better placed than in the H/W section), but it's different on each page. That should be improved, on each page a link to the appropiate rules should be clearly visible. Perhaps, there should be 1 document with the complete Forum Rules for each section, then if you click the link in, let's say the H/W list section, it immediately jumps to the right section.

Anyway, there isn't a rule section in the Auction Forum, though a lot is explained. Since you brought it up I've been thinking of auctioning some stuff, just to keep it interesting and alive .

Another thing is, there could be some tips/tricks like posts (that need to be Stickies or something else, like a separate link). For instance, I'd be more than willing to write a 'Primer' for (new) members on how best to create a H/W list that doesn't hurt your eyes and is managable for the owner and easy to use/read for the people that visit.

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I do appreciate the time and thought that you've put into how to make things better!

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Hey, I owe this site, so I would gladly help and improve it in any way I can.

Last thing: If you have a H/W list and an Sales list in the Trade Auction/Sales Forum, only 1 of the links appear in a post of yours. Both should be visible. Nothing much, but I've had traders point me to their Auction list and only their H/W list was visible. It would be convenient, but not much more.

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