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Originally posted by nderdog:
You do realize that other than junichi, I'm the newest mod on the site, right? Also, the specific rule was pointed out quite clearly. If you can't get along with people, expect to get warned. I've been nice and given hints to behave rather than karma smacks, but if you're going to play these games, I'd be happy to enforce things a little more strictly.

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Why are you warning me? I wasn't 'not getting along' with anyone. Why don't you warn the people who responded? They were the ones 'not getting along'.

You have made your disdain for and desire to ban people (or me specifically) who react to your foul attitude, well known the entire (seems like a long time) time you've been a mod. Hold yourself to the standards you wish to enforce or you simply create more problems. A wise man (Spiderman's uncle Ben) said with great power comes great responsibility. Well, even with a little power, you still have some responsibilities.

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Originally posted by paragondave:
Why are you warning me? I wasn't 'not getting along' with anyone. Why don't you warn the people who responded? They were the ones 'not getting along'.

You have made your disdain for and desire to ban people (or me specifically) who react to your foul attitude, well known the entire (seems like a long time) time you've been a mod. Hold yourself to the standards you wish to enforce or you simply create more problems. A wise man (Spiderman's uncle Ben) said with great power comes great responsibility. Well, even with a little power, you still have some responsibilities.

This is the suggestion forum. I simply made a suggestion. Why do you get so loudly offended whenever someone makes a suggestion here? You don't have to like it but you also don't have to threaten to ban people every other day for saying things YOU don't like. I didn't break any rules of the GD forum. How about you look at some (not all) of the responses I got.

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I warned everyone involved in the situation. If you think I was focusing on you, then you're imagining things. You most certainly were part of the problem, though. If you think "airing dirty laundry" is playing nice and not attacking people, you should probably adjust your definition a bit.

Yes, I know that in your mind I am trying to ban you. In reality, I have never even issued you a warning, so clearly I am not carrying out this perceived vendetta you mistakenly think I have.

You made a suggestion to remove me as a mod. How would you expect me to react? Be happy and smile and nod?

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Come on Dave, no one here is stupid. You made that suggestion and purposefully directed it at nder. When you posted that, you knew (of that I have no doubt) that it would offend him and that he would respond to it. You posted that in order to get a rise out of nder and THAT, was childish.

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I didn't air dirty laundry. I posted a statement that I think is ironic and amusing. If you think that's airing dirty laundry, then my 'feelings of persecution' are justified.

You warn me on a regular basis. I didn't say you smacked me. I can think of 4 or 5 times when you mentioned banning directly in relation to a post of mine and several more suggesting other members leave MOTL in relation to posts that violated no rules, but simply weren't complimentary of some aspect of MOTL, or of you.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Come on Dave, no one here is stupid. You made that suggestion and purposefully directed it at nder. When you posted that, you knew (of that I have no doubt) that it would offend him and that he would respond to it. You posted that in order to get a rise out of nder and THAT, was childish.

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I am offended by many of his posts as well and I'm sure that is what he intends. Just saying, if you're going to enforce, hold yourself to the same standards or expect criticism.

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Originally posted by paragondave:
I made a suggestion for Term Limits, yes, with you in mind. What I would prefer would be to have you stop being so hateful and rude. I actually like you...most of the time. From your responses to me now and previously, I doubt the reverse is true.

I didn't air dirty laundry. I posted a statement that I think is ironic and amusing. If you think that's airing dirty laundry, then my 'feelings of persecution' are justified.

You warn me on a regular basis. I didn't say you smacked me. I can think of 4 or 5 times when you mentioned banning directly in relation to a post of mine and several more suggesting other members leave MOTL in relation to posts that violated no rules, but simply weren't complimentary of some aspect of MOTL, or of you.

My message to you is, if you are going to be in a position of authority and enforce standards and rules, you should hold yourself to the standards and rules you are enforcing, or you should rightly expect criticism for it. Or you should at least expect posts referring to the irony and amusement that some feel.

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Reminding people of the rules is hardly being hateful or rude.

Using the PFS to complain about someone else posting rules violations and carrying on about it for several posts is most certainly airing dirty laundry.

If you're being warned on a regular basis, that means that you're breaking rules on a regular basis. I don't see how that's my problem. If people are unhappy with MOTL, I have no problem inviting them to go elsewhere for their needs. Make no mistake, I only reserve that for people who bitch and whine about how oppressive or terrible the rules are.

Feel free to point out any rules that I break. Complaining about people not following the rules in no way creates an ironic or amusing situation.

That said, I am done wasting time on this thread. I'll let the admins decide what to do from here.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
Reminding people of the rules is hardly being hateful or rude.

Using the PFS to complain about someone else posting rules violations and carrying on about it for several posts is most certainly airing dirty laundry.

If you're being warned on a regular basis, that means that you're breaking rules on a regular basis. I don't see how that's my problem. If people are unhappy with MOTL, I have no problem inviting them to go elsewhere for their needs. Make no mistake, I only reserve that for people who bitch and whine about how oppressive or terrible the rules are.

Feel free to point out any rules that I break. Complaining about people not following the rules in no way creates an ironic or amusing situation.

That said, I am done wasting time on this thread. I'll let the admins decide what to do from here.

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Complaining about people not following the rules in no way creates an ironic or amusing situation.

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I'm not the most out-spoken member of this community nor do I profile myself as a very active member here so mod-wise I haven't been in touch with many regarding rules or offenses, but they seem to do an OK job to me.

However, there is quite a number of people on here with a brain, so let's say if Mods can choose their successors and the rabble (non-mods) can elect/approve (like a parliament) I suppose rotation could be a thing, though I'm not clearly seeing what benefits it would have to the site.

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Power abuse happened during his term and it did feel like members were scared away from the site? I believe the current crop of mods seems to get along but is there a policy for "who's going to police the police?"

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
To take this out of any current mods, what would be a way in the future that we would deal with a Mod like HanSolo was?

Power abuse happened during his term and it did feel like members were scared away from the site? I believe the current crop of mods seems to get along but is there a policy for "who's going to police the police?"

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
To take this out of any current mods, what would be a way in the future that we would deal with a Mod like HanSolo was?

Power abuse happened during his term and it did feel like members were scared away from the site? I believe the current crop of mods seems to get along but is there a policy for "who's going to police the police?"

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Han was an interesting guy, but I'm not sure I'd say he abused his power. Didn't moontechna get banned while he was a mod?

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Originally posted by Shadow88:
Han was an interesting guy, but I'm not sure I'd say he abused his power. Didn't moontechna get banned while he was a mod?

In any case, I don't really like the idea. There's not exactly a ton of active members in the discussion forums to select mods from.

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Moonie got banned, by a rather LARGE smack by Dad. Han couldn't do anything about it.

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Originally posted by JayC:
Term limits would be good if mod's grew complacent and didn't step down. Dunno if that's an actual thing around here though.

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Originally posted by chaos021:
I can't believe anyone honestly thinks term limits would be a good idea. It would be a whole new headache on top of a list of complaints we already have on MOTL. We already get suggestions, bitching and moaning from people who don't even read or are polite enough to ask before making stupid assertions. Good luck finding people who will volunteer for that kind of crap. I know I wouldn't take the job unless I could squelch morons for a few days at a time. No offense, Dave, but this post is an example of what I'm talking about. Do you actually expect this or some form of this to happen?

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No mod has posted on a BTA thread in weeks. Feb 25th is the last time a mod (Jazaray) posted on one.

Since then, nothing.

Some new threads have not been addressed by a mod at all in weeks.

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005561.html

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005560.html

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/005562.html

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Originally posted by nderdog:
I have no problem inviting them to go elsewhere for their needs.

That said, I am done wasting time on this thread.

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looks like after a few fatal rulings and the resulting dropoff, they've all stopped wasting their time on MOTL period.

We don't get new mods because the admins (whoever they are) no longer have any interest in administrating the site.

When the admins go, the mods go, when the mods go, MOTL goes. Ripping incidents will now be the norm and it will die. What used to be great for the hobby is now contributing to it's downfall. Even Mom is nowhere to be seen.

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Term limits would be good if mod's grew complacent and didn't step down. Dunno if that's an actual thing around here though.

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sorta like they are now?

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Originally posted by wayne:
Well, the moderators are probably just as frustrated as the members as they too are unable to prevent the site from dying a slow death.

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FYI, the site dying a slow death is symptomatic of several terrible rulings by those same mods as well as zero efforts from the owner of the site, who likely appointed them mods, so if anyone has any influence on the owner of the site, it would be the mods, who are currently MIA but thanks to your insightful explanation, now I understand why that's perfectly understandable and OK! Thanks!

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No mod has posted on a BTA thread in weeks.

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Taken care of, sorry for the delay.

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MOTL's decline is due to a number of things but I don't believe "fatal rulings" have anything to do with it.

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The lack of moderator attention is due to a number of things. It's a self-feeding cycle. The site doesn't demand their time, most of us have grown up and lost interest in Magic, and thus nothing happens.

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We don't get new mods because the admins (whoever they are) no longer have any interest in administrating the site.

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Fair. I don't think we *need* new moderators, though. Does a ghost town need a police force?

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When the admins go, the mods go, when the mods go, MOTL goes.

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Fair. It's certainly taking a while, though.

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Ripping incidents will now be the norm

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No more than usual. It's not like we had some magical ability to stop people before.

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FYI, the site dying a slow death is symptomatic of several terrible rulings by those same mods

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I don't believe any of that is relevant here, and I don't know what rulings you consider to be "terrible," but you can drop it.

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Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:

The lack of moderator attention is due to a number of things. It's a self-feeding cycle. The site doesn't demand their time, most of us have grown up and lost interest in Magic, and thus nothing happens.

Fair. I don't think we *need* new moderators, though. Does a ghost town need a police force?

Yeah, thanks. We don't. At all. So just let it go.

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TBH some of the responses we've gotten lately from you have been a little bit of a bummer. Kind of like 'we know the site is dying just accept it'. That's very ... unfortunate.

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Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:

MOTL's decline is due to a number of things but I don't believe "fatal rulings" have anything to do with it.

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Of course not. You would have to admit that you are human and capable of making mistakes.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
TBH some of the responses we've gotten lately from you have been a little bit of a bummer. Kind of like 'we know the site is dying just accept it'. That's very ... unfortunate.

Even if the mods aren't coming around here doesn't mean there aren't those of us who do come here and would love others to be appointed to help you all out - since as you mentioned the mods have lost interest. We'd like to revive the ghost town.

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because MOTL is a ghost town, they have plenty of mods. The problem is taking care of itself.