Duress
Inquisition of Kozilek
Memoricide (typically naming Jace TMS first)
Jace Beleren and Jace TMS as win conditions

With a Leyline out, UB's only win conditions are 3 Sea Gate Oracles, 2 Grave Titans, and 4 Creeping Tar Pits. We have counters and Day of Judgment for the creatures, and a full 4 Spreading Seas and Tectonic Edges for the Tar Pits. That sounds pretty good! But is it too narrow? Would I be better of using those slots for a 3rd Sea Gate Oracle, 2nd Gideon Jura, and 2nd Sun Titan?

So you know, I plan to sideboard 3 Luminarch Ascension as my primary win condition, so I don't need to rely on the Gideons or Titans.

Let me know your thoughts, please!

Thanks!
Mark

__________________
3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky

__________________
MOTL's Most Likely to Play in the Pro Tour - Three Years Running for 2007, 2008, and 2009
(My Nationals)

quote:

---

Originally posted by MAB_Rapper:
Leyline is pretty good in the current meta, but not just because of b/u control. It makes Valkut decks much, much slower against you, as you take out the primary win condition. Mono red decks can't burn you out. Any of those B/R Vampires also can't cast Consuming Vapors, burn, or Memorcide on you.

---

Yeah, I completely agree that it's awesome right now! I want to run 3 in the sideboard for exactly the reasons you mentioned. If Valakut can't use it's lands to Lightning Bolt you, then all you have to do is control their creatures and you win. And that's not that difficult with Flashfreeze, Day of Judgment, etc. And, what's more, if you have Leyline, they can't Lightning Bolt your planeswalkers because they have to target you and redirect the damage!

Do you think Leyline does enough against UB, though, to warrant 3 slots in the sideboard 60 cards? It is amazing, but would those slots be better off as something else?

__________________
3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky

quote:

---

Originally posted by dfitzg88:
Caw-go made good use of its sideboard, but it was prepared for a diverse meta. if you have mainly blue-black opponents, it doesn't sound like a bad idea.

what does your meta look like?

---

My meta is pretty diverse, too. It's only FNM-caliber players, but there is a lot of diversity: RUG Lotus Ramp, UB Control, BR Vampires, Valakut, Mono Green Eldrazi, RUG Vengevine (normally me), etc.

I like the look of Kibler's Caw-Go, but I don't understand some of the choices. Does someone have StarCityGames premium that could send me a pdf of his article about the deck? That may help me understand it a bit! For example, in my analysis of the top decks (Valakut, Mono Green Eldrazi, UW Control, UB Control, BR Vampires), you want 4x Spreading Seas. However, Kibler only maindecks 1 of them. Why not run 4 if you want them against every good deck?

The main difference between my build and Caw-Go is that I want to make room for: Luminarch Ascension, Baneslayer (good against Valakut - at least in my head and without testing - and aggro), Sun Titan (to win the Jace and Tectonic Edge wars against control and Eldrazi/Valakut, respectively), Leyline of Sanctity, and more Jaces (to win the Jace war against control).

I'll post my list in a bit. It's kind of convoluted at the moment, but I'd like to figure out why Kibler made some of the choices he made before trying to tweak my own list :-P

__________________
3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky

this site has a video interview with him going over his card choices.

i mean what other stuff are you torn between for space in the SB?

I am definitely going to bring them in against Valakut, Vampires, etc. The question is whether they come in against UB Control.

Thanks for the help!

__________________
3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky

quote:

---

Originally posted by coinmagic45:
Sorry if I was unclear before. I am DEFINITELY going to run 3 Leyline sideboard because they are amazing. My specific question is whether or not I should sideboard them in against UB Control because it shuts off so many of their spells? Or should I leave them in the sideboard and not bring them in against UB Control?

I am definitely going to bring them in against Valakut, Vampires, etc. The question is whether they come in against UB Control.

Thanks for the help!

---

kinda depends on if you have enough cards to take out after game one.
find out how many cards your ganna "side out" vs blue/black control