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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Not even with some of the Wolf Run decks playing Thrun and Dungrove Elder? Maybe side them in and take Doom Blade out?

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But how often are they going to have an Inkmoth or a mana dork to take the fall?

And why do you think you can get by on 21 lands? Especially with the horrible plan of Ghosting your own lands to make jerry-rigged fetches. 25-26 is about right.

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Originally posted by magic_man31:


Of course making your opponent sac creatures that benefit them is not good for you... But where are you seeing cards such as Viridian Emissary or Solemn Simulacrum most commonly played? In Pod decks. Remind me, how is taking your opponent off their chain not good?

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Lands (22)

1x Glacial Fortress
4x Drowned Catacomb
2x Isolated Chapel
4x Swamp
5x Island
5x Plains
1x Ghost Quarter

Creatures (10)

2x Sun Titan
1x Grave Titan
4x Snapcaster Mage
2x Phantasmal Image
1x Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite

Artifacts (1)

1x Batterskull

Instants (15)

3x Doom Blade
2x Surgical Extraction
3x Mana Leak
3x Think Twice
4x Forbidden Alchemy

Sorcery (7)

2x Day of Judgement
2x Timely Reinforcements
3x Unburial Rites

Enchantments (2)

2x Oblivion Ring

Planeswalker (3)

2x Jace, Memory Adept
1x Liliana of the Veil

Sideboard (15)

2x Dissipate
2x Mental Misstep
1x Tribute to Hunger
1x Day of Judgment
2x Oblivion Ring
1x Surgical Extraction
1x Timely Reinforcements
1x Celestial Purge
2x Revoke Existance
2x Ghost Quarter

I plan on getting there a little early and trading/buying a Wurmcoil Engine. I may try and get some more Isolated Chapels and Glacial Fortress. I only have 22 land, if I am to add more, what cards should come out?

~MM

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Does Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite belong in here anywhere? Main or side?

What do we think about this deck?
http://mtgpulse.com/event/3545#45386

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Originally posted by NukeMoose:
Sounds like someone has never heard of Wolf Run?

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Because Wolf Run was super prevalent prior to that post. Right? It had 1 Top 8 prior to.

Anyway, I've scraped Solar Flare for the time being (mostly because I wanted to get rid of the Liliana's before they dropped). Don't get me wrong, it's solid, but I feel it needs something more. I'm hoping Dark Ascension gives it that.

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
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What do we think about this deck?
http://mtgpulse.com/event/3545#45386

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Originally posted by HandicapParking:
It has enough land.

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Apparently, I had enough. Went 3-1 (7-2) on the night for 4th and some packs. (Opened another Snapcaster Mage (My 5th) I wrecked face all night. My 1 loss was to a W/u Elspeth Control deck. Massive Tokens and some counter. I won game 1, but Game 2 and 3 weren't close. Last minute, I added a 61st card which was just a Plains and traded before hand for a Chapel and a Fortress, which probably helped my base a bit. Surgical Extraction MD was HUGE! Elesh Norn wins games BTW. So does Snapcaster Mages.

Round 1, some home brew bad deck.

Young kid that doesn't have a lot of cards. Grave Titan was too much for him. Elesh Norn took his elves out of play. Won 2-0.

Round 2, Elspeth Control.

We both made every land drop but didn't play any cards by turn 5. Then Elspeth came into play and 3 tokens. I followed up with a Grave Titan and 2 zombies, which was promptly met with an O-Ring. Elspeth made 3 more tokens and was put in graveyard. Then a new Elspeth was cast and 3 more tokens. Turn is passed to me and I cast Day of Judgement. Now she starts gaining some life and makes more tokens and does this a couple more turns. Finally with enough tokens in play, she ultimates her Elspeth. However, her O-Ring gets destroyed and I get Grave Titan back and 2 more Zombies. By this time, I have Surgically Extracted all Elspeths, Mana Leaks and Blade Splicers. I foloow up with an Elesh Norn and proceed to beat face with Grave Titan and tokens. Game 2, Intangible Virtue and some tokens are too much. Game 3, 2 Shrine of Loyal Legions and a Virtue is GG. Lost 1-2.

Round 3, Black/Blue Control.
Surgical Extraction and O-Rings are too much for him. Liliana of the Veil keeps his hand size in check, while allowing me to reanimate at will. Turning point of Game 2, I have Jace, Memory Adept in play and keep milling 10 of his and extracting his Mana Leaks, Negates and Dissipates.
He finally casts a Grave Titan. I cast Phantasmal Image, making my own GT and follow up with an Oblivion Ring. He then casts a Consecrated Sphinx which I immediately copy with another PI. We both draw tons of cards in the same card drawing sequence but I have already decimated his library and he has no answers. Won 2-0.

Round 4, Red/Black Vampires.
He starts off fast Game 1 with 2 Stromkirk Nobles a Vampire Lacerator and some other Red Vampire. I turn 4 Day of Judgement and have huge card advantage over him. At 1 point, I chain a Sun Titan, to a Phantasmal Image to a Snapcaster Mage to flashback a Forbidden Alchemy. Game 2 was a bit rougher as he has a transformed Bloodline Keeper and a lot of Vampires in play. I chump with some Zombies until I Snapcaster Mage a Celestial Purge on his Keeper and then play Elesh Norn to destroy the rest of his vampires. He tries to Victim of the Night it. I Mana Leak. He has another, but I have Snapcaster Mage and available mana to flashback my Leak. I then cruise. Won 2-0.

All in all I really enjoyed this deck and it seemed to have answers too just about everything.The amount of card advantage this deck generates is insane. The tourney was about 20 people and I only heard of 1 Wolf Run deck. Not to say there wasn't more, I just saw 1. There were a few RDW and a Red/Blue Chandra's Phoenix type deck.

After the tourney I picked up a 4th Chapel, my 3rd Glacial Fortress, Promo Wurmcoil Engine and some more SB stuff for it. For now, I think this is the deck I am going to run.

~MM

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Originally posted by Timmyhill:
I still havent had a chance to build this deck... Still need to spend another 400 or so on insulation for my house first.

Anyways hows the deck been holding up?

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It is not recommend to play solar flare at this moment. The deck simply doesn't have much game against most of the top decks.

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Originally posted by junichi:
It is not recommend to play solar flare at this moment. The deck simply doesn't have much game against most of the top decks.

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I disagree with this statement. At least in my area.
Timmy, my decklist have evolved a bit.

[Main Deck]
4x Isolated Chapel
4x Drowned Catacomb
4x Glacial Fortress
3x Swamps
6x Plains
4x Islands
(25)
4x Snapcaster Mage
2x Blade Splicer
1x Wurmcoil Engine
1x Grave Titan
1x Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
2x Sun Titan
2x Phantasmal Image
(13)
4x Forbidden Alchemy
3x Think Twice
3x Unburial Rites
3x Mana Leak
2x Doom Blade
3x Oblivion Ring
1x Timely Reinforcements (may become 2)
2x Day of Judgment
(21)
1x Liliana of the Veil
(1)

[Sideboard]
2x Celestial Purge
1x Doom Blade
1x Ghost Quarter (may become 2)
2x Revoke Existence
4x Negate
1x Flashfreeze
1x Timely Reinforcements
2x Surgical Extraction
1x Nihil Spellbomb (need another)
(15)

~MM

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
I disagree with this statement. At least in my area.
Timmy, my decklist have evolved a bit.

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Btw, 24 land is definitely not enough. You might be able to get away with it in 1 tournament, but overtime, you will be mana screw more often than not.

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Btw, 24 land is definitely not enough. You might be able to get away with it in 1 tournament, but overtime, you will be mana screw more often than not.
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DoJ is increasingly better in the current meta of dungroves, tokens, and humans. This deck is flexible enough to adapt to meta changes. With the current perception that "solar flare is bad" that means there will be less/no graveyard hate running around. If/when the meta shifts again, solar flare might not be viable.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
DoJ is increasingly better in the current meta of dungroves, tokens, and humans. This deck is flexible enough to adapt to meta changes. With the current perception that "solar flare is bad" that means there will be less/no graveyard hate running around. If/when the meta shifts again, solar flare might not be viable.G

26 lands is where you should be at.

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Unfortunately, DoJ doesn't solve everything. Most of the aggro decks nowadays don't need to over extend to win, which makes DoJ more like a 4cc cruel edict most of the time. The only time it does alright is against Juza's g/w township.

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This is what I am going to play if I go to FNM tomorrow night.

4x Snapcaster Mage
1x Grave Titan
1x Wurmcoil Engine
2x Sun Titan
3x Phantasmal Image
1x Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite

4x Forbidden Alchemy
3x Think Twice
3x Mana Leak
3x Unburial Rites
2x Day of Judgment
2x Doom Blade

3x Oblivion Ring

2x Liliana of the Veil

4x Drowned Catcaombs
4x Isolated Chapel
4x Glacial Fortress
1x Ghost Quarter
6x Plains
4x Island
3x Swamp

SB is geared for my meta (last I knew, lol)

~MM

Edit: May add 4x Gutshot for SB as I guess Illusions is big there lately.

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