I was looking at the deck list from the SCG Nashville event, the 2nd place and 10th place decks are the same except the 2nd place deck has an extra wurmcoil in the sb were the 10th place deck has an extra timely renforcements.

Also the 2nd place deck doesnt run any planeswalkers... does this deck need them? I have 2 Gideions and was going to try and get the new Jace for the deck as well. What about Liliana of the Veil? I pulled one in a box and was going to sell it to help cover the cost of the deck.

I have to pick up Batterskull, grave tian, snapcaster mage and Consecrated Sphinx if its good for the deck.

Finally if I cant get the snapcasters is there a good replacement for them?

Heres the deck list for the 2nd place deck

Artifacts
1 Batterskull

Artifact Creatures
1 Wurmcoil Engine

Creatures
1 Grave Titan
2 Phantasmal Image
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Sun Titan

Enchantments
3 Oblivion Ring

Instants
1 Celestial Purge
3 Doom Blade
4 Forbidden Alchemy
3 Mana Leak
3 Think Twice

Sorceries
2 Day of Judgment
3 Timely Reinforcements
2 Unburial Rites

Basic Lands
4 Island
4 Plains
2 Swamp

Lands
1 Darkslick Shores
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Glacial Fortress
4 Isolated Chapel
3 Seachrome Coast

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Originally posted by Timmyhill:
So I was wondering what the best build for Solar Flare is...

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I think that's going to be highly dependent on your own preferences, your play style, and your meta.

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Also the 2nd place deck doesnt run any planeswalkers... does this deck need them?

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The deck doesn't really need them. Day of Judgment, Doom Blade, Timely Reinforcements, Oblivion Ring, and larger creatures already fulfill the goals of Gideon, although your deck would probably be just fine if you included Gideons in the deck.

I think Liliana is overhyped at the moment and this deck just shows why. You can get by without her, sometimes it's just a cute trick to do interesting things in the game, and against aggro decks, it's possible that it's just not effective enough. Making your opponent sacrifice his Viridian Emissary or Solemn Simulacrum isn't highly productive, and may make things worse for you. Making your opponent sacrifice a Chandra's Phoenix that'll just come back next turn to kill Liliana may be a waste, and against many creatures that have some effect when they enter the battlefield, you may be better off with a counterspell to stop it in the first place.

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I have to pick up Batterskull, grave titan, snapcaster mage and Consecrated Sphinx if its good for the deck.

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These, on the other hand, are all good and very essential. They are all very powerful and give you a diverse array of threats. A card that's good against one of these isn't going to necessarily be good against the others. Oblivion Ring exiles Batterskull but still lets your opponent draw cards from Consecrated Sphinx, get two Zombies from Titan, or get a second use out of a spell with Spellcaster Mage.

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Finally if I cant get the snapcasters is there a good replacement for them?

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I'm also just looking for a deck that will place 1-3 on a regular bases at FNM. Which right now is calling with tempered steel.

Your forgetting her +1. When is hand control not good? Especially when your deck only gets better when you have the option of playing stuff out of the yard (read: flashback, Snapcaster Mage). Getting your opponent into top deck mode seems pretty good, at least in my opinion, while giving you more options from the yard, and hence, the advantage.

Of course making your opponent sac creatures that benefit them is not good for you... But where are you seeing cards such as Viridian Emissary or Solemn Simulacrum most commonly played? In Pod decks. Remind me, how is taking your opponent off their chain not good?

Also, what happens when you run into pesky hexproof creatures (read: Invisible Stalker). Other than Day of Judgement and Tribute to Hunger (Geth's Verdict if your playing mono-black maybe) what else is there that is standard playable (In these colors)? In the past week alone, I've seen an increase in Invisi-Blade lists running around online. It's about time to start running 12 wrath effects. Haha

How do Batterskull and Sphinx help this deck? Sure Batterskull helps in the aggro matchup, but if your playing 2 DoJ, 3 Timely Reinforcements, and a plethora of kill and counter magic and are still having trouble, a 1-of Batterskull is probably not going to solve your problems.

Sphinx is a coin flip. Against the mirror match, it's awful, at least from the testing that I've done. Grave Titan is just meh, would rather play another Sun Titan. The recursion is just too good.

As far as either playing say, Liliana or Snapcasters, dfitz is correct. The added versatility is nuts and that is something that this deck prides itself on.

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Originally posted by magic_man31:
Have you even played the deck yakusoku?

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Originally posted by HandicapParking:
Don't make a comment like this if you're going to make it obvious that you don't know what you're talking about. He is correct and you are theorycrafting.

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Yeah, 500+ matches played is theorycrafting... Amirite? Add to the discussion or stop trying to troll please. If you know something that I'm missing, by all means, point it out and correct me.

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Originally posted by is it fact or fiction:
@magic_man31

liliana is very good in the deck, but far from essential. batterskull is, in my opinion, better against control as its a reusable threat and gets your life so high that even if they turn the tide a little you have time to fight back.

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I'd like some imput on the big creatures

I have 3 wurmcoils and 2 sun titans... I'd have buy/trade for the batterskull, grave titan, Consecrated Sphinx

I know all of these kind of do different things but I'm really trying to get the most for my money so some thoughts on which is better would be helpful. This is the order I think I'd like to get things in.

Sun Titan (I'd run 3 in the deck)
Batterskull
Consecrated Sphinx
grave titan

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Originally posted by magic_man31:
Yeah, 500+ matches played is theorycrafting... Amirite? Add to the discussion or stop trying to troll please. If you know something that I'm missing, by all means, point it out and correct me.

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Okay so lets assume you personally came up with the deck and aquired all of the cards on the day of the release (Sept 30) and assume matches (best 2 out of 3 right?) take 45 minutes on average. You would have to play 24 hours a day for almost 16 days to accomplish this by October 12th, which is quite impressive:

(500 matches * .75 hours ) / 24 hours per day = 15.6ish days.

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Originally posted by HandicapParking:
Okay so lets assume you personally came up with the deck and aquired all of the cards on the day of the release (Sept 30) and assume matches (best 2 out of 3 right?) take 45 minutes on average. You would have to play 24 hours a day for almost 16 days to accomplish this by October 12th, which is quite impressive:

(500 matches * .75 hours ) / 24 hours per day = 15.6ish days.

Edit: I'm sorry Timmy I couldn't resist and I hate to see the thread die. IMO Your priorities are in the right order (Snaps first, Grave Titan last). Execute the plan.

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Games, not matches, my bad. Sept 30th? The set was spoiled fully nearly a week BEFORE THE PRE-RELEASE which was the 24th... We've been testing this set for nearly a month now... Ever hear of proxies? I hear they're good when testing a set that isn't out yet, or when you don't have all the cards.

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Originally posted by magic_man31:
Games, not matches, my bad. Sept 30th? The set was spoiled fully nearly a week BEFORE THE PRE-RELEASE which was the 24th... We've been testing this set for nearly a month now... Ever hear of proxies? I hear they're good when testing a set that isn't out yet, or when you don't have all the cards.

It's all personal preference Timmy. I have buddies that prefer running Grave Titans/Batterskull/Sphinxs and others who prefer Sun Titan/Wurmcoil/Images. Whatever your most comfortable with. But the Snapcasters are a must.

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You guys must be pro for testing solar flare right when all the cards are spoiled. How long did it take you guys to build the deck from scratch? 15 mins?

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Timmy, despite the lack of Liliana in Medina's list, I would still run her. The card has it's flaw against certain decks, but worst come to worst, she trades 1 for 1, and diverts attention to her instead of you.

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Originally posted by Timmyhill:
Is there any room for blade Splicer in the deck? I was just playing on MTGO and it seemed every deck was using them and it was a tough to win against them.

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The question is, what are you trying to accomplish with Blade Splicer?

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Land-25
1 Ghost Quarter
2 Seachrome Coast
2 Darkslick Shores
2 Drowned Catacomb
3 Isolated Chapel
3 Glacial Fortress
3 Swamp
4 Plains
5 Island

Creatures-9
3 Snapcaster Mage
2 Sun Titan
1 Consecrated Sphinx
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Grave Titan
1 Wurmcoil Engine

Planeswalkers-3
3 Liliana of the Veil

Spells-23
4 Forbidden Alchemy
4 Doom Blade
3 Unburial Rites
3 Oblivion Ring
3 Timely Reinforcements
3 Divination
2 Day of Judgment
1 Batterskull

Liliana is a good card and she interacts wonderfully with sun titan but I think the deck does fine without her. She's too overpriced right now.

Lands (21)

1x Glacial Fortress
4x Drowned Catacomb
4x Swamp
5x Island
5x Plains
2x Ghost Quarter

Creatures (9)

2x Sun Titan
1x Grave Titan
4x Snapcaster Mage
2x Phantasmal Image

Artifacts (1)

1x Batterskull

Instants (17)

3x Doom Blade
2x Unburial Rites
2x Surgical Extraction
3x Mana Leak
3x Think Twice
4x Forbidden Alchemy

Sorcery (5)

2x Day of Judgement
3x Timely Reinforcements

Enchantments (4)

4x Oblivion Ring

Planeswalker (3)

2x Jace, Memory Adept
1x Liliana of the Veil

I'm not really sure if I need/want the Mana Leaks.

I like the Jace in here, bc the way I look at it, it nets me 2 cards (1 in hand and 1 in grave for Snapcaster Mage).

I lack Isolated Chapels and more Glacial Fortress, so I added 2x Ghost Quarter to try and "fix" my mana, but not sure if I should just replace them with a couple more basic lands for the time being.

I kind of want to get 2x Gideon in here. I was thinking taking out the 3x Mana Leaks and adding them and another land.

Any thoughts?

~MM

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Originally posted by Timmyhill:
I think you want the mana leak... its nice to set pod back a turn or two by leaking one of their early mana producing creature or pod its self... if they are they foolish to tap out to cast it.

Why doesnt this deck use ponder? Wouldnt it be better then Think Twice? Sure it doesnt have flash back of its own but isnt that what Snapcaster is for?

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I would say because it helps to have some flashback cards in your grave, so as not to rely on Snapcaster as the only means for flashing it back.

~MM

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
So what do we think about Geth's Verdict in this deck?

~MM

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I don't like Geth's Verdict in any deck. It's nowhere near as good as Smallpox. I'd play Tribute to Hunger over it but honestly don't see a need for either.

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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
I don't like Geth's Verdict in any deck. It's nowhere near as good as Smallpox. I'd play Tribute to Hunger over it but honestly don't see a need for either.

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Not even with some of the Wolf Run decks playing Thrun and Dungrove Elder? Maybe side them in and take Doom Blade out?

~MM

Also, started working on my sideboard.
Here is where I'm at:

2x Dissipate
2x Revoke Existence
2x Purify the Grave
1x Celestial Purge (would like another one)
1x Timely Reinforcements (Maybe cut out)
1x Surgical Extraction (Love this card)
1x Day of Judgment
5 slots left

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Not even with some of the Wolf Run decks playing Thrun and Dungrove Elder? Maybe side them in and take Doom Blade out?

~MM

Also, started working on my sideboard.
Here is where I'm at:

2x Dissipate
2x Revoke Existence
2x Purify the Grave
1x Celestial Purge (would like another one)
1x Timely Reinforcements (Maybe cut out)
1x Surgical Extraction (Love this card)
1x Day of Judgment
5 slots left

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