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djcards
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posted January 19, 2012 03:45 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for djcards Click Here to Email djcards Send a private message to djcards Click to send djcards an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Hello,
I played a small local tourney the other day and saw a deck that I thought was pretty cool.
Basically it used the Four Horseman combo of Basalt Monolith + Mesmeric orb to cycle through his library. But the win condition was Laboratory Maniac.

This is what I can remember, specifically I don't remember how he got the maniac into play.

This is what I specifically remember
4 Basalt Monolith
4 Mesmeric Orb
4 Narcomoeba
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Emrakul, the aeons torn
1? Laboratory Maniac
1? Flash of insight
4? Lim Duls Vault

Basically if I was going to recreate this I was thinking the following but I am looking for help
4x Unearth (to get maniac into play
4x Brainstorm / optional draw
4x Dark Ritual
?x Lotus Petal
?x Crystal Vein
?x City of Brass

Meh thats about all I can figure.

Would there be any validity in mixing in some way to pull off a shelldock isle combo? Just my brainstorm (no pub...)

 
airwalk
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posted January 19, 2012 03:47 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for airwalk Send a private message to airwalk Click to send airwalk an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Maybe Cephalid Breakfast would be better.

Nomad's En-Kor/Shuko/Shaman En-Kor + Cephalid Illusionist.

Same combo basically, but you have more options for one of the combo pieces plus you can Aether Vial your combo pieces out.

 
djcards
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posted January 19, 2012 05:47 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for djcards Click Here to Email djcards Send a private message to djcards Click to send djcards an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Hmmm yeah.
I actually really like that.

How valid is mono white? It could run stoneforge mystics with shuko (and probably a batterskull or something similar)

 
airwalk
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posted January 20, 2012 02:15 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for airwalk Send a private message to airwalk Click to send airwalk an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I played with something for a bit, here was the 'core':

4 Nomads En-Kor
4 Cephalid Illusionist
3 Narcomoeba
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Reveillark
1 Mulldrifter

4 Cabal Therapy
1 Dread Return
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Worldly Tutor

4 Aether Vial

From there I had two different versions, one used Duals/Fetch with Brainstorms and FoW's and the other used 5 color lands, more combo pieces, Careful Studys and more Discard.

 
djcards
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posted January 21, 2012 06:00 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for djcards Click Here to Email djcards Send a private message to djcards Click to send djcards an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Here is the list that I came up with. I went for the life combo instead. What do you think?

2 Task Force
4 Shaman En-Kor
4 Daru Spiritualist
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Aether Vial
2 Shuko
1 Batterskull
3 Cunning Wish
2 Force of will
4 Brainstorm
2 Impulse
2 Twisted Image
2 Worthy Cause
4 Merchant Scroll

3 City of Brass
1 Birthing Pool
4 Hallowed Fountain
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Plains
4 Island

Side Board
1 Worldly Tutor
1 Twisted Image
1 Worthy Cause
1 Krosan Grip
4 Surgical Extraction
4 Meddling Mage
1 Disenchant
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 ?

 
djcards
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posted January 31, 2012 08:17 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for djcards Click Here to Email djcards Send a private message to djcards Click to send djcards an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by airwalk:
I played with something for a bit, here was the 'core':

4 Nomads En-Kor
4 Cephalid Illusionist
3 Narcomoeba
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Reveillark
1 Mulldrifter

4 Cabal Therapy
1 Dread Return
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Worldly Tutor

4 Aether Vial

From there I had two different versions, one used Duals/Fetch with Brainstorms and FoW's and the other used 5 color lands, more combo pieces, Careful Studys and more Discard.


Thanks for the list!
I really like your revaillark + maniac win condition.

I threw a proxy deck together that used it, and almost immediately noticed an issue when I could otherwise combo out turn two, but I had one of the 4 pieces of my combo in hand. How did you dance around this issue? I am thinking of some sort of discard outlet, but that seems janky.

 
Zakman86
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posted February 01, 2012 01:31 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Zakman86 Click Here to Email Zakman86 Send a private message to Zakman86 Click to send Zakman86 an Instant MessageVisit Zakman86's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Zakman86's Have/Want ListView Zakman86's Have/Want List
Don't waste your time building this deck. The new IPG came out yesterday. You literally cannot play this deck anymore without getting nailed with Slow Play penalties.
 
djcards
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posted February 01, 2012 04:10 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for djcards Click Here to Email djcards Send a private message to djcards Click to send djcards an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Which one? The monolith deck, or breakfast... Breakfast wins fast I think
 
airwalk
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posted February 01, 2012 10:25 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for airwalk Send a private message to airwalk Click to send airwalk an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I used Careful Studies to get the combo pieces out of my hand usually.

I think he must be talking about the Life version.

 
Zakman86
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posted February 01, 2012 10:35 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Zakman86 Click Here to Email Zakman86 Send a private message to Zakman86 Click to send Zakman86 an Instant MessageVisit Zakman86's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Zakman86's Have/Want ListView Zakman86's Have/Want List
I'm talking about the Monolith deck.
 
airwalk
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posted February 01, 2012 12:13 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for airwalk Send a private message to airwalk Click to send airwalk an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Could you explain how you would get slow play penalties then? The combo doesn't take very long to play out at all so I'm confused as to why it would matter.

Also at a small local game shop I'm sure it wouldn't matter anyway.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by airwalk on February 01, 2012]

 
djcards
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posted February 02, 2012 04:56 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for djcards Click Here to Email djcards Send a private message to djcards Click to send djcards an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I think the issue is that the smart players won't let you simply explain the combo and then shortcut to the end. Because its a random event that your waiting for its possible that it wouldn't happen in a reasonable amount of time.

Make him combo out step by step, then call the judge if it takes him to many tries.

I could be missing another subtlety, so anyone else feel free...

 

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