posted February 01, 2002 01:16 PM            

Before I read Leshrac's post at then end of page 1, what I was going to say was along the lines of:
I think the articles forum should stay open, it can provide an excellent source of writings for the Tome, and the people who visit it contribute regularly and excellently! Closing it might have made the source of articles for La Tome dry up, as its not too famous yet and etc lalala!

But having read what Leshrac said, I have changed my point of view to: meh!

posted February 01, 2002 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Leshrac:
let's just say that as MOTL marks its sixth year in the biz, there are going to be some other changes this month that are going to cause quite a larger stir than this has.

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dun dun dun

*shudders*

Changes, eh? And what sort of "changes" will these be, or will these be totally unexpected?

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posted February 01, 2002 02:39 PM         

Why can't you just leave the articles forum open?

posted February 01, 2002 03:03 PM         

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't really want my articles posted on the Tome. I've yet to read an article on there that was actually good. All that it has done is get a percentage of MOTL memebers that post in the Articles forum to write articles... IMO, I think the Tome is crap. It doesn't have the writers to be any of the Secret tech sites and it copies Sideboard.com's decklists...

posted February 01, 2002 04:05 PM            

Now I have visited the Tome and I did not see the same thing I was seeing in the Articles forum. Nothing, absouletly nothing intrested me.

Now why would I go back to a site with nothin of intrest? I do not write articles but enjoy reading. I can get that by reading the countless h/w lists here on Motl or topics in the forums of Motl.

I wish the Tome the best of luck but feel it just is not worth my time and energy.

( I do like to write stories, none of which I would post anywhere on the Tome or Motl. I simply like my privacy and do not partake with critique online that well.)

As always jusy my thoughts...

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posted February 01, 2002 04:28 PM         

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Originally posted by HanSolo6385:
*counts fingers on hand*

Nope, your counting correctly. Basicly what your saying is that a vast number of MOTL's members are far too arrogant to adapt to changes. Not only that, but your attention span won't allow anything to drastic to happen or you'll slip into a temper tantrum. Your going to have to deal with it.

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Guess what, how about you eat some humble pie and realize that minority loses to majority. Simple statistics here, more members want the fourm opened than closed. Why would I slip into a temper tantrum... I'm just stating my opinions and some facts.

You have *ONE* valid point, I am going to have to deal with it. That is right... want to know why? Because in a dictatorship/Nazism, the leader doesn't care what the Majority says even if they are unsportive of his/her actions. They only care about the Minority that agrees with them.

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Basicly what your saying is that a vast number of MOTL's members are far too arrogant to adapt to changes. Not only that, but your attention span won't allow anything to drastic to happen or you'll slip into a temper tantrum.

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Basically what I AM saying is exactly what I wrote, if it makes you feel any better, it is what I mean not what I say. Once again, thank you for having a personal attack against me, which of course you will deny as you did with other personal attacks... and here I was thinking to myself "An older man should be much more mature than a 16 year old". Seems as if I am wrong again.

By the way, Ignorance leads to arrogance and arrogance leads to ignorance. I've got a essay for you if you're interested in reading it. I'm in no way arrogant to change. You seem to be both arrogant and ignorant.

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posted February 01, 2002 08:36 PM            

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Originally posted by jbp26:
im going to have to disagree with vegeta there. first, i dont think the tome lost respect for mocking bad articles, im not the only one who thought it was hilarious. they only mocked the derserving (what can i say, i find intellectual elitism endearing). granted the tome doesnt have nearly as many submissions as the articles forum, but look at the quality. the few pieces that are on the tome, all of them read professionally, which is more than can be said for most of the stuff in the articles forum. not only are they better written, theyre just generally more interesting. even the tournament reports arent just "heres my deck, heres how i beat everyone", they always have a back story. i think theyll have a hard time starting up, but once the tome firmly establishes itself, it could be great.

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Alright, yes they were somewhat funny, but that's only because the articles they mocked were such trash to begin with. I mean, it doesn't take a lot to say in no such obvious words, This Sucks, 50 freaking times in different spots along a bad article. Like I said, I never take any place serious that posts that crap. I would go to TeamAcademy occasionly for a laugh, since they were as far as I know, the original mock website.

As for quality, well there's not much I can say. Nothing worth seeing there, except Iakae's and Tedman's articles. Oh and if reinhart is correct in there being even less articles than there are normally. Well then that would be.... one a week at most? Besides the fact that made the articles forum great. Was your article didn't have to be great, and people could still at least read it. It was a huge plus over other places.

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posted February 02, 2002 01:41 AM            

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posted February 02, 2002 11:00 AM            

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Long reply, but that's what I'll crop because that at least shows that you've got some hope for The Tome. I know your opinions on the site, Val, but at least I know now it has a part of your support

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All I'm saying is that hopefully the Tome will be better than the Articles. I'm in no way supporting or unsupporting the Tome. I will be very careful when being asked to submit an article since with all the cropping that will be done, a lot of details and voiced opinions will be lost.

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And Val, I highly doubt I'd be the one moderating the proposed inner forum for The Tome

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Uuh, Senior Editor then means you're not in charge..?

jbp26 - For the ridicule clause, I think that is not only insulting to the author, but to whoever likes to make fun of other people, the site itself, the supportors of the site, and anyone else that thinks they are "superior" to the author. I think it's sad.

Soupboy - I eagerly await the Jell-O article.

Vegeta2711 - Holy crap!! Man, I feel sorry for you. I feel for ya. Why be rude and not even ask, or let you know, your work was being taken to another place? *sighs*

Han, I am not avoiding change, but this "renovation" is (In my humble opinion) not the best move for MOTL.

I'm not going to be mudslinging, you're a piece of crap, no you're a piece of crap. I'm trying to be a reasonable member of MOTL and be articulate and civilized enough to let the Mods know what some MOTLers might think alongside of me.

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So far not one actual memember has agreed with this

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Val is the only one who has posted anything in that forum even remotely recently

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Is there any women out there that are for/against this (Other than Steph as you already voiced your opinion)

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posted February 02, 2002 12:06 PM            

It won't hinder my article writing, considering I wouldn't want to submit random, impulsive crap anyway.

Oh yeah, and democracy sucks. Majority of people are stupid, and letting stupid people to decide things... Plato had a point.

posted February 02, 2002 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by squirrel overlord:
There seems to be a lot of negative comments about the change.Ive only been a member of MOTL for a little over 2yrs but in that time ive seen LOTS of changes,all of them GOOD,i see no reason why this one will be different.

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posted February 02, 2002 12:15 PM         

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Originally posted by HanSolo6385:
Personal attack? I responded to your post, thank you. Also, majority is overrated.

Quit trying to make me look like the bad guy. And also, if minority beats majority, you're still too young to vote.

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If Majority is overatted, why do they always win anywhere other than in a dictatorship?

Quit trying to make me look like the bad guy.

Why would I have to try? If being ignorant makes you look like a bad guy, then you're doing pretty well on your own.

And also, if minority beats majority, you're still too young to vote.

Ok, so what do two things have to do with another? Not being able to vote doesn't make me a retard. I don't see you having a degree in Government Studies. The only main advantage you may have over me in a scholars aspect is that you are older and have "wisdom of age"... I've already blantantly showed to you where Minority beats Majority, do you not understand what any of these terms of leadership mean? Tyrant, Nazism, Dictatorship, Communism, Monarchy, and Totalitarianism. Minority wins in every one of those fields... Want to explain to me how Minority never wins Mr. Ignorant?

I don't even know why this post is up for disscusion... What Leshrac wants, happens... I still don't see why my idea was "unreasonable" or something along those lines. It isn't hard to make a choice page, where when one clicks on the Articles Fourm, they get an option of going to The Tome and going to the Articles Fourm.

posted February 02, 2002 12:55 PM            

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Originally posted by TheFireStarter:
I still don't see why my idea was "unreasonable" or something along those lines. It isn't hard to make a choice page, where when one clicks on the Articles Fourm, they get an option of going to The Tome and going to the Articles Fourm.

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But Why do that when you can save time, bandwidth, and money?

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posted February 02, 2002 01:04 PM         

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But Why do that when you can save time, bandwidth, and money?

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Look, if we're going to talk about wasting bandwidth, i assure you that there are some pages on magictraders.com that are far more useless than the one mentioned in firestarter's post.

posted February 02, 2002 01:53 PM            

Is there any women out there that are for/against this (Other than Steph as you already voiced your opinion)

posted February 02, 2002 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by TheFireStarter:
If Majority is overatted, why do they always win anywhere other than in a dictatorship?

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lets be reminded of the presidental election of 2000... lets see.. majority didnt win.. Gore had the majority of the popular votes..
and last I checked.. the US wasnt a dictatorship

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posted February 02, 2002 02:52 PM         

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Originally posted by coolio:
lets be reminded of the presidental election of 2000... lets see.. majority didnt win.. Gore had the majority of the popular votes..
and last I checked.. the US wasnt a dictatorship

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GREAT! Let us all use EXTREME examples to prove a point! Did you know that 1 in every 4 million lobsters are BLUE?! I can no longer say that lobsters are their actual color, now can I?!
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posted February 02, 2002 03:03 PM            

A website.

MOTL is private property. That's exactly why Leshrac can do whatever he wants with it. Of course, that doesn't mean he absolutely ignores public opinion. Many of the best features of this site have come out of need from the public. However, if this is as abysmal an idea as some may seem to think, then so be it. It's not like it's an irreversible change. If it doesn't work, we can switch it back. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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posted February 02, 2002 03:09 PM         

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Originally posted by *Tedman*:
MOTL isn't a dictatorship. It isn't a socialist republic. It's not being tyrannized by an absolute leader. Nope, what is it then?

A website.

MOTL is private property. That's exactly why Leshrac can do whatever he wants with it. Of course, that doesn't mean he absolutely ignores public opinion. Many of the best features of this site have come out of need from the public. However, if this is as abysmal an idea as some may seem to think, then so be it. It's not like it's an irreversible change. If it doesn't work, we can switch it back. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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That is more or less what I was looking to put across as a point. It is just that Han makes me annoyed very quickly and thus I lose my train of thought...

Ok, you brought up the point of reversing this process if it proved to be a bad thing. How would you judge its success/unsuccessfulness? I understand how you would reverse it, but then again you'd have to explain to newbies what goes on the fourm and what does not... That would make the undoing more annoying to do than just leaving the Tome instead of the Fourm.

Beh. I can't think straight now... Gotta go find some booze.

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Finally, regarding the replying to articles bit: like I said earlier, it's something that will probably be implemented in the not-so-distant future. Why it hasn't already is a bit complicated, but let's just say that as MOTL marks its sixth year in the biz, there are going to be some other changes this month that are going to cause quite a larger stir than this has.

I'm glad I can read... now having read this, my opinion has changed. But I still want to argue with Han and Coolio for their blantly ignorant comments.

No booze in the house...