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because the point of the FTV was to reward the Brick and Mortar Stores.

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and B&M stores didnt make profit selling booster packs??? It's not like B&M stores werent thriving pre-FTV...

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So because they make some profit on boosters that should be enough for them to get by? I think the actual MSRP on a booster box is in the $140 range and I'm pretty sure nobody feels sorry for the guy because he has to sell them around $100 because you can get them for $90 online.

For the most part people will buy things for as cheap as they can. Especially when it comes to Magic where $2 saved on a playset bought online versus in the store means $2 more towards a Wall of Omens or whatever.

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Originally posted by shaselai:
Sure some cards value might go down but does it matter to wizards?

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Willfully hurting card values just for WotC to make themselves a quick buck leads to alienating players. Alienating players leads to people not playing the game. People not playing the game leads to WotC not selling new product. WotC not selling new product means that the quick buck they made cost them a fortune in future sales. Yeah, I think it matters to them.

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Willfully hurting card values just for WotC to make themselves a quick buck leads to alienating players. Alienating players leads to people not playing the game. People not playing the game leads to WotC not selling new product. WotC not selling new product means that the quick buck they made cost them a fortune in future sales. Yeah, I think it matters to them.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by nderdog:
Willfully hurting card values just for WotC to make themselves a quick buck leads to alienating players. Alienating players leads to people not playing the game. People not playing the game leads to WotC not selling new product. WotC not selling new product means that the quick buck they made cost them a fortune in future sales. Yeah, I think it matters to them.

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The problem is that From the Vaults isn't exactly supposed to cater to new players. New players need and want cards they can use in standard tournaments. FTV sets don't have those cards.

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But doesnt making them a little more available get new players to buy it at lower price than 80-90$? woldnt that turn off potential new players too?

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If potential new players are looking at stuff like FTV, they're likely also looking at all of the other very expensive Legacy and Vintage cards and would be turned off anyway.

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But doesnt making them a little more available get new players to buy it at lower price than 80-90$? woldnt that turn off potential new players too?

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They cater to new players so much, it's nice to see them put something out that is more collectible. Elspeth VS Tezzeret is an example of something that would really appeal to new players (OMG... $30 and i get 2 foil planeswalkers?!), but at the same time has cards like swords to plowshares (alternate art no less) and factories... Whoever is coming up with the contents of these newer type of collectible decks and box sets really needs a pat on the back!

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isnt it 19.99 msrp?

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isnt it 19.99 msrp?

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Who cares about MSRP?

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Me for one.

When I go to Target/Walmart and pick one up for $19.95 instead of $30 I care alot...

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Exactly. I'm hoping to catch them at the local grocery store before the hoarders come in and buy all of the Magic in stock again just to keep everyone else in the area from having access.

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So because they make some profit on boosters that should be enough for them to get by? I think the actual MSRP on a booster box is in the $140 range and I'm pretty sure nobody feels sorry for the guy because he has to sell them around $100 because you can get them for $90 online.

For the most part people will buy things for as cheap as they can. Especially when it comes to Magic where $2 saved on a playset bought online versus in the store means $2 more towards a Wall of Omens or whatever.

WoTC knows that the brick and mortar stores that hold weekly tournaments and foster community do more for the game than simply move product. Throwing them a bone every now and then is definitely in their best interest.

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isnt it 19.99 msrp?

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Who cares about MSRP?

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Who cares about MSRP?

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it is released tomorrow.. anyone know what time walmart gets it?

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Look at when a new set comes out, prices are high, and after a week prices start to drop cause there are more on the market, and the hardcore standard/EDH players paid top dollar to have it now. I wait a week and spend 25-50% of what I would have spend for the same cards the release weekend.

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I'm not getting the point you're trying to make, please explain.

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It's a meaningless number. How many booster boxes of M11 or Rise of the Eldrazi did you buy for 144.00(MSRP)? Magic is a collectible and is not meant to be sold at a fixed price. The new dual decks are already selling for 35 online. Perhaps your LGS will sell the 12 they were allocated at 19.99 and sell out on Friday and you can get one if you are lucky. Or you can run around to Walmart and Target and hope to find one on their shelves before someone else buys them all. Next week everyone will be selling them for market price, not MSRP, just like FTV Relics.

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SCG bumped theirs to $35 now... We've presold 21 of 24 already at $30 each. The exchange is pretty much almost even for Canada, unfortunately, most major distributors ignore that their canadian dollar buys them more and charge the same for products as if the exchange was 1.25 or something like that <sadface>

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If magic players weren't so bloody stupid, the FTV's would be $90.00. It's all supply and demand. My store was selling them for $65.00, they got 15 and still have 8 left, cause no one wants to pay that price, for new bad art.

Look at when a new set comes out, prices are high, and after a week prices start to drop cause there are more on the market, and the hardcore standard/EDH players paid top dollar to have it now. I wait a week and spend 25-50% of what I would have spend for the same cards the release weekend.

The it's new and I have to have it now before anyone else, cause that will make cool..... That is why prices are high. Stupid people willing to pay stupid prices to be the FIRST to have it.

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Kind of curious, lets say all the "stupid players" myself included in this, instead were wise and intelligent like yourself, and waited a week to buy anything. What do you think would happen? No one buying = no product on the market = the price not dropping... OR... no one buys any for a long time = suppliers drop prices to try and get rid of it = smart people pick up as much as possible = price spikes for the good cards that no one has anymore of available?

If you have an issue with it, take it up with your local store, they are the ones jacking up the price