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caquaa
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I might build an EDH deck designed to pull this off... just so I can bust out some tokens and start resolving triggers before people realize whats going on, lol....

too bad I dont carry a million tokens with me, guess dice will have to do some how.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by darius vitrosoo:
good day and oh someone please play mindbreak trap thankyou


Mindbreak Trap would be highly ineffective against this. Initially, when the six golems trigger, there is only one spell on the stack-- the second Rite of Replication. In order for Mindbreak Trap to be successful, you would have to cast it after each Precursor Golem trigger resolved, which is when there are a lot of spells on the stack. I think it would be difficult to play six Mindbreak Traps on the same turn, all at instant speed.

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Thank god for lightning bolt
 
JoshSherman
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quote:
Originally posted by JTAubrey:
Thank god for lightning bolt

*cough*Vines of Vastwood*cough*

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So what is the final number you end up with?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Timmyhill:
So what is the final number you end up with?

like the Spoon.. There is no Golem.. never was, it's all in our heads.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by JoshSherman:
(3779142,279936)

That should be right.

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quote:
Originally posted by JoshSherman:
That should be right.


I decided to give this a try. My results came extremely close to yours.

Let's take a look:

You play Precursor Golem, resulting in 2 tokens also.

You play Rite of Replication with kicker. You get 5+5+5+10+3=28 (22 Tokens and 6 Precursors)

Then you play Rite of Replication again with kicker on a token.

You end up with 6*21 for the tokens (5*21+21 to start with makes 6*. Then you add 1. The original Rite of Replication is on the bottom of the stack.). Then you get 30 new Precursors. That makes 60 more tokens. You end up with 36 Precursors and 187 tokens.

Then, you realize the other 5 Precursor's effects all go on the stack also. So you need to repeat the process 5 more times. Here is the formula I came up with:

T = Tokens
P = Precursor Golems

((T-1)*6)+1+(P*6)+(P*5*2) = Total Tokens and Precursors

So here are the effects of the other 5 precursors:

((187-1)*6)+1+(36*6)+(36*5*2)=1477 Tokens and 216 Precursors

3rd Precursors effect:

((1477-1)*6)+1+(216*6)+(216*5*2)= 11017 Tokens and 1296 Precursors.

4th Precursor effect:

((11017-1)*6)+1+(1296*6)+(1296*5*2)= 79057 Tokens and 7776 Precursors

5th Precursor effect:

((79057-1)*6)+1+(7776*6)+(7776*5*2)= 552097 Tokens and 46656 Precursors

6th Precursor effect:

((552097-1)*6)+1+(46656*6)+(46656*5*2)= 3779137 Tokens & 279936 Precursors

Add 5 Tokens from the original Rite of Replaication and your grand total is:

3,779,142 Tokens and 279,936 Precursor Golems.

Grand total of 3/3's? 4,059,078

[Edited 3 times, lastly by NoblePurpose on October 30, 2010]

 
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Our formulas are the same, so the difference is calculation. In the third Precursor's Effect, you have
((1476-1)*6), but it should be ((1477-1)*6).
 
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quote:
Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Our formulas are the same, so the difference is calculation. In the third Precursor's Effect, you have
((1476-1)*6), but it should be ((1477-1)*6).

Thanks for catching that... I just fixed it We now have the same answer after that minor mistake on my part.

 

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