Now EDH has a bit more of the spot light and cards are being designed with EDH in mind. Eldrazi were a cute concept and ruled EDH until Emrakul's banning. It was a thoughtless card that anyone could add to an EDH deck and win out of no where, regardless if it fit your deck or not. With Mirrodin Besieged there are quite a few examples of EDH cards: Blightsteel Colossus, Consecrated Sphinx, and Praetor's Council are the ones that come to mind. These are all easily blow out cards. The colossus suffers from the same thing that emrakul did, you can just throw him into anything. The sphinx is ridiculous card advantage, easily compared w/ primevil titan and argued to possibly be better. Praetor's Council is easy to stop given enough graveyard hate, but has the potential to just win games on its own by "drawing" 20-30 cards.

I feel these auto-include cards take away from the format because they become something you expect to see in a deck running the correct colors. They can, and likely will, be played no matter what the intention (theme) of a deck. There should have to be some thought behind the construction of an EDH deck, but players just being introduced to the format are easily drawn to cards that are way too obvious why they were printed.

Some build to their general and along a central theme. They think very hard about just cramming a card into their deck because it's really good. Most of the time, basic utility stuff like top/sol ring gets the nod over broken stuff like BSC. For them, the theme is more important that just winning.

Some use their generals as basically a color marker and just cram their deck with all the good stuff in those colors. Those are the people who see stuff like Emrakul and BSC and jam it in if they feel there's a way they can cast it. They just want the broken win conditions.

Those are also the people I aim Bribery at

I think it's good that wizards is printing cards with the format in mind. The RC can always ban something if it's warping the format, which I think it a good check on the process. You'll always have people who miss the point and are just looking to win as quickly as possible. If it's not with some new toy, there are plenty of existing cards in the format that do the job just as well.

So basically, "everybody play the french banlist yo".

But Sundering Titan is just a bitch; as are most other big fatties with shroud/troll shroud or good ETB abilities/when cast abilities.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
To be honest, Sol Ring and Sundering Titan should be banned, Library, kokopuff and a few others should not.

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Don't really agree on Kokusho being unbanned. Every game I ever saw him in resulted in a scrum over who could get him onto/off the battlefield most often. Talk about devolving a game state.

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But, personaly, I'd rather see Sundering Titan anyday of the week then either Colossi or Ulamog (or a dozen other far more dangerous things then Titan.)

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Originally posted by joz:
Getting any mana acceleration turn 1-3 is a big blowout, thats just a fact.

But Sundering Titan is just a bitch; as are most other big fatties with shroud/troll shroud or good ETB abilities/when cast abilities.

But, personaly, I'd rather see Sundering Titan anyday of the week then either Colossi or Ulamog (or a dozen other far more dangerous things then Titan.)

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
To be honest, Sol Ring and Sundering Titan should be banned, Library, kokopuff and a few others should not.

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Originally posted by chapman24:
not playing an answer to titan is a douche bag move. quit crying and come prepared

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Not really. When you play a broken Karn EDH, it's not fun for anybody.

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Even if you get turn 1 Sol Ring it's all about what you have in your hand, so I still am ok with it. Maybe my play group just hasn't made it that much of a disadvantage though. The Titan is just irritating. I can understand land D with all the really good non-basics floating around, but not the Titan.

I have a question for everybody. How do you feel about spot removal in EDH? My deck runs a good amount of black removal spells (such as Sudden Death, Rend Flesh, Terminate, etc.) and I get people who tell me those cards are a waste. I've never wished I drew something else personally, and while I realize it doesn't grant me card advantage, me taking down a big scary dude for 2-3 mana seems legit.

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I think it's good that wizards is printing cards with the format in mind.

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I also think it is good that wizards is printing cards for EDH, but I also share Caquaa concern. It seems like sets recently have multiple staples or utility cards, like Viridian Corrupter, that are significant upgrades over previous cards. Right now the attention is certainly welcome, but if this trend continues the number of auto includes will certainly start to warp deck construction.

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I have a question for everybody. How do you feel about spot removal in EDH?

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I think it is a necessity to be able to respond to things that may happen at instant speed so having some spot removal is not bad

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Also, Counterspell. People complain about it, but the way I see it, you're still only getting a 1 for 1, and it's just a good way to stop something really scary.

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I dunno if Sundering Titan is broken, but if you're just playing for fun it's definitely annoying. I think the only thing more annoying is the guy who casts it, and doesn't know why all my dudes get pointed at him as my lands go down.

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I play Sundering Titan and I don't think its that broke. There have been times where I've played it against 4 players and hit two lands because either A) They play nonbasics or B) Everyone plays the same color. It's good at blowing out a single player but in multiplayer its usually either shutdown a player or everyone sacrifices a land.

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Originally posted by -Lunch_Box-:
I also think it is good that wizards is printing cards for EDH, but I also share Caquaa concern. It seems like sets recently have multiple staples or utility cards, like Viridian Corrupter, that are significant upgrades over previous cards. Right now the attention is certainly welcome, but if this trend continues the number of auto includes will certainly start to warp deck construction.

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Unless you're playing Infect, how is Viridian Corrupter strictly better than Viridian Shaman?

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Unless you're playing Infect, how is Viridian Corrupter strictly better than Viridian Shaman?

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Unless you're playing Infect, how is Viridian Corrupter strictly better than Viridian Shaman?

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I view it like this:

The Corrupter does the same thing upon EingTB, and gives you a better blocker. You still only need 10 poison to win, so yes it doesn't deal damage to your opponent, but with an equipment or two it can win the game by itself. Most of the time a little dude like that isn't going to come through for significant damage anyway.

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Unless you're playing Infect, how is Viridian Corrupter strictly better than Viridian Shaman?

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It's pretty much the Wither. Viridian Shaman usually isn't going to attack, it will most likely block.

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