WCFMO starts with leyline. Yak plays meddling mage on pithing needle. WC plays island and passes. Yak has two choices - he can strip the island or not.

If he strips the island, WC plays karakas and bounces mage forever.

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Originally posted by LegendaryFerret:
I may be crazy, but are you sure on the WCFMO vs Yak game? I think it's a DD.

WCFMO starts with leyline. Yak plays meddling mage on pithing needle. WC plays island and passes. Yak has two choices - he can strip the island or not.

If he strips the island, WC plays karakas and bounces mage forever.

If he doesn't strip the island, WC plays karakas, draws white from it and plays meddling mage. Legend rule kills them both and neither player has anything left.

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Leyline of Anticipation
Mox Sapphire
Mox Pearl
Meddling Mage
Strip Mine

2. Magic1264 WL 3 - Daze works on the play, not the draw.

Elvish Spirit Guide
Elvish Spirit Guide
Channel
Lich's Mirror
Rocket Launcher

3. MAB_Rapper XX X

Island
Brainstorm
Daze
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Shelldock Isle

4. ScottyStyles LL 0

Leyline of Anticipation
Elvish Spirit Guide
Elvish Spirit Guide
Channel
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

5. LegendaryFerret WW 6 - S, I get to shuffle my graveyard back to my library... seems fine.

Leyline of Anticipation
Balance
Mox Pearl
Mox Pearl
Memnite

6. Numotflame96 WL 3 - The earliest I can get Emrakul is turn 3. He is faster than that on the play.

Bazaar of Baghdad
Vengevine
Vengevine
Basking Rootwalla
Memnite

7. AGO WW 6 - He can Ith, but he still loses it.

Dark Depths
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Maze of Ith
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Dust Bowl

8. alphastorm LL 0 - Strip the Island and I can't do anything.

Plateau
Stripmine
The Tabernacle at pendrell vale
Swords to plowshares
Gorrila shaman

9. mattw WW 6

Plains
City of Traitors
Elixir of Immortality
Elixir of Immortality
Serra Ascendant

10. Liq WL 3 - On the play, I Brainstorm before he can Daze and win. On the draw, his 2 counters are enough.

Daze
Misdirection
Foil
Zealous Guardian
Island

11. s14sh3r WW 6 - Balance doesn't affect me at all, Rack doesn't do enough before I have enough cards in my hand.

Mox Pearl
City of Traitors
Balance
The Rack
The Rack

12. SageShadows LL 0

Leyline of Anticipation
Mox Jet
Mox Pearl
Tidehollow Sculler
Tidehollow Sculler

13. WCFmo DD 2

Leyline of Singularity
Karakas
Island
Meddling Mage
Pithing Needle

14. LemonMeringue LL 0

Tropical Island
Daze
Mox Emerald
Channel
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

15. Jtrade77 WW 6

Leyline of Sanctity
Inkmoth Nexus
Inkmoth Nexus
Tabernacle of Pendrell Vale
Pendelhaven

16. Carbon WL 3

Mox Ruby
City of Traitors
Seething Song
Sneak Attack
Blightsteel Colossus

17. coinmagic45 LL 0

Leyline of Anticipation
Mox Pearl
Mox Sapphire
Meddling Mage
Meddling Mage

18. Myy LL 0

Mox Emerald
Mox Emerald
Leyline of Anticipation
Channel
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

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then dust bowl your stripmine

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Originally posted by Myy:
so Why can't we pay the 1 from tabernacle with the Moxen?

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You certainly can pay one. However that taps your mana and prevents you from casting the 2nd Sculler or Meddling Mage respectively. Being able to only hold a single 2/2 on the board means you lose the race against me.

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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
The Rack doesn't target.

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If I have shroud from Leyline of Sanctity, it is my understanding you cannot 'choose' me. If this is incorrect, please quote the right rule at me.

Oracle Text: As The Rack enters the battlefield, choose an opponent.
At the beginning of the chosen player's upkeep, The Rack deals X damage to that player, where X is 3 minus the number of cards in his or her hand.

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Originally posted by MAB_Rapper:

5. LegendaryFerret WW 6 - S, I get to shuffle my graveyard back to my library... seems fine.

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I'm not seeing something here. Why do you get to shuffle your graveyard back to your library?

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Originally posted by AGO:
yakusoku I could pull a draw draw from you. Your going to drop everything first anyways from the leyline but if drop one at a time I can go
Dust Bowl
Tabernacle
Urborg Tomb of yawgmoth
Dark Depths

then dust bowl your stripmine

then drop the Maze for the draw

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I'm NOT going to drop everything in my hand.

I don't play Strip Mine until you play Maze of Ith. Until then, I pay for Tabernacle with a Mox and attack for two each turn. You need more than 10 turns to use Dark Depths, so you're forced to play Maze, at which point, I will Strip Mine your Maze.

Jtrade77:

Unless something specifically uses the word "target" or is an Aura spell on the stack, it doesn't target, so Leyline of Sanctity won't protect you.

Here are the relevant rules I could find:

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Comprehensive Rules:

114. Targets

114.1d A triggered ability is targeted if it identifies something it will affect by using the phrase "target [something]," where the "something" is a phrase that describes an object, player, or zone. The target(s) are chosen as the ability is put on the stack; see rule 603.3d.

114.9a Just because an object or player is being affected by a spell or ability doesn't make that object or player a target of that spell or ability. Unless that object or player is identified by the word "target" in the text of that spell or ability, or the rule for that keyword ability, it's not a target.

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Originally posted by yakusoku:
I'm not seeing something here. Why do you get to shuffle your graveyard back to your library?

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Emrakul, the Aeons Torn.

And yakusoku explained targeting rule as well as i could.

The Rack
Artifact, 1 (1)
As The Rack enters the battlefield, choose an opponent.

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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn.

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2. Magic1264 WW
My disruption easily takes both games.

3. MAB_Rapper WW
Taking the Brainstorm helps me win.

4. ScottyStyles DD
I can play a Tidehollow Sculler in response to the Channel, which needs to resolve before he can cast Emrakul. The best move for either of us is just to stare.

5. LegendaryFerret DD
Lots of staring.

6. Numotflame96 WW
Both games, I steal the Rootwalla first time I get priority.

7. AGO LL
Nothing to steal, nothing to win with.

8. alphastorm LL
On the play, I take his Gorilla Shaman. He’ll play Tabernacle T1, and then T2 Swords the Tidehollow Sculler after I pay for the upkeep cost. On his turn, he can play the Gorilla Shaman and eat away my Moxen.
It gets uglier on the draw.

9. mattw DD
On the play, I steal Elixir #1. He leads with the second elixir. I need to steal the Serra Ascendant, or he wins in the race. 5 life a turn is plenty enough to offset the 4 damage he takes.

10. Liq DD
On the play, he foils a mox and we stare. On the draw, he needs to foil the moxen, but that leaves him with no island. Some more staring.

11. s14sh3r LL
I can't handle double Racks and lose.

12. SageShadows XX

13. WCFmo DD
On the play, I steal the meddling mage. He bounces my sculler on his turn. On my turn, I play the sculler on Mage. This pattern continues indefinitely as he needs Karakas to bounce my Sculler and I have the Moxen open to play it again.
On the draw, the same thing happens.
Needle's a nonfactor because it can't hit Moxen.

14. LemonMeringue WW
Whenever I get priority, I steal for profit.

15. Jtrade77 LL
A bunch of lands does not bode well for me.

16. Carbon WW
I steal the Blightsteel.

17. coinmagic45 DD
S’more staring.

18. Myy DD
Leylines make us both sad.

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Originally posted by s14sh3r:

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Several people have scored differently against me in their posts than what I think happens. If anyone can give me another opinion it would be appreciated.

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Originally posted by ScottyStyles:
slasher - You go WW against me. No matter when I play Emrakul, he swings once, then you play out The Rack, then Balance (in that order). Emrakul dies, then I die.

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(WLD designation is me first, them first)

1. yakusoku - DD, staring contest

2. Magic1264 - WW, I take extra turns before he controls Rocket launcher long enough to pew pew

me.

3. MAB_Rapper - WW, I play Emrakul, take my extra turn. Emrakul eats Isle before he can play his

own Emrakul

4. ScottyStyles - XX, I play Emrakul, then try to figure out who to attack.

5. LegendaryFerret - DD, whoever makes the first move loses so we both stare. Alternatively, I

could respond by playing out my hand, in which case I'll sac Emrakul, and he'll have to discard

Memnite.

6. Numotflame96 - WW, When he plays first he drops his hand, swings, and gets me to 1. When I

swing back, he sacs his VV's and everything else.

7. AGO - LL, Tabernacle > Emrakul

8. alphastorm - LL, Tabernacle > Emrakul

9. mattw - WW, play Emrakul, eat his lands

10. Liq - WW, Emrakul can't be countered

11. s14sh3r - DD, Staring

12. SageShadows - DD, My eyes are getting sore from so many staring contests

13. WCFmo - LL, Karakas returns Emrakul and I can't replay

14. LemonMeringue - WD, When I play first I play Emrakul, take my extra turn, and win. When he

plays first, we both play Emrakul, and both lose them to legendary rule.

15. Jtrade77 - LL, Tabernacle pwns me.

16. Carbon - WW, Emrakul is bigger than Colossus

17. coinmagic45 - DD, getting tired of staring.

Leyline of Anticipation
Mox Sapphire
Mox Pearl
Meddling Mage
Strip Mine

2. Magic1264 WW

Elvish Spirit Guide
Elvish Spirit Guide
Channel
Lich's Mirror
Rocket Launcher

3. MAB_Rapper WW

Island
Brainstorm
Daze
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Shelldock Isle

4. ScottyStyles DD

Leyline of Anticipation
Elvish Spirit Guide
Elvish Spirit Guide
Channel
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

5. LegendaryFerret DD

Leyline of Anticipation
Balance
Mox Pearl
Mox Pearl
Memnite

6. Numotflame96 WW

Bazaar of Baghdad
Vengevine
Vengevine
Basking Rootwalla
Memnite

7. AGO WW

Dark Depths
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Maze of Ith
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Dust Bowl

8. alphastorm WW

Plateau
Stripmine
The Tabernacle at pendrell vale
Swords to plowshares
Gorrila shaman

9. mattw WW

Plains
City of Traitors
Elixir of Immortality
Elixir of Immortality
Serra Ascendant

10. Liq DD

Daze
Misdirection
Foil
Zealous Guardian
Island

11. s14sh3r WW

Mox Pearl
City of Traitors
Balance
The Rack
The Rack

12. SageShadows DD

Leyline of Anticipation
Mox Jet
Mox Pearl
Tidehollow Sculler
Tidehollow Sculler

13. WCFmo LL

Leyline of Singularity
Karakas
Island
Meddling Mage
Pithing Needle

14. LemonMeringue WD

Tropical Island
Daze
Mox Emerald
Channel
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

15. Jtrade77 WW

Leyline of Sanctity
Inkmoth Nexus
Inkmoth Nexus
Tabernacle of Pendrell Vale
Pendelhaven

16. Carbon WW

Mox Ruby
City of Traitors
Seething Song
Sneak Attack
Blightsteel Colossus

17. coinmagic45 DD

Leyline of Anticipation
Mox Pearl
Mox Sapphire
Meddling Mage
Meddling Mage

18. Myy Xx

Mox Emerald
Mox Emerald
Leyline of Anticipation
Channel
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

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2. Magic1264
Elvish Spirit Guide
Elvish Spirit Guide
Channel
Lich's Mirror
Rocket Launcher

Elvish Spirit guides Exile themselves when used so they do not come back with Lich Mirror so you can only cast Channel once, and Rocket Launcher can't be used the turn in comes into plays. He will never have mana to use Rocket Launcher. Great deck idea wrong cards. (Goblin Cannon would have made it work)

1. yakusoku

Leyline of Anticipation
Mox Sapphire
Mox Pearl
Meddling Mage
Strip Mine

T1mage naming either menite or rootwalla leaves me hung out to dry

2. Magic1264

Elvish Spirit Guide
Elvish Spirit Guide
Channel
Lich's Mirror
Rocket Launcher

he can't ever cast the mirror and the launcher while still having the mana for channel.

3. MAB_Rapper

Island
Brainstorm
Daze
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Shelldock Isle

on theplay i can kill him before the isle untaps. on the draw i'm not fast enough.

4. ScottyStyles

Leyline of Anticipation
Elvish Spirit Guide
Elvish Spirit Guide
Channel
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

i hold stuff in my hand. he can channel into emrakul leaving him at 5. if he attacks, igo to five, then swing back with vengvines for the win. if i play anyhting before he attacks, i lose.
so we stare

5. LegendaryFerret

Leyline of Anticipation
Balance
Mox Pearl
Mox Pearl
Memnite

he vasts balance, i toss my hand, and madness in rootwallah.

6. Numotflame96

Bazaar of Baghdad
Vengevine
Vengevine
Basking Rootwalla
Memnite

7. AGO

Dark Depths
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Maze of Ith
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Dust Bowl

tabernacle owns me.

8. alphastorm

Plateau
Stripmine
The Tabernacle at pendrell vale
Swords to plowshares
Gorrila shaman

tabernacle owns me

9. mattw

Plains
City of Traitors
Elixir of Immortality
Elixir of Immortality
Serra Ascendant

if you look at the race i just deal mroe damage than he can gain life. swing for 10 vs gaining 5. i win by turn 8.

10. Liq

Daze
Misdirection
Foil
Zealous Guardian
Island

even if he counters my stuff, i still ge vengevines back since it triggers on creatures being cast. 2 4/3s beat a 1/1

11. s14sh3r

Mox Pearl
City of Traitors
Balance
The Rack
The Rack

rootwallah can't race the rack

12. SageShadows

Leyline of Anticipation
Mox Jet
Mox Pearl
Tidehollow Sculler
Tidehollow Sculler

he just flashes in a sculler at my upkeep stealing rootwalla. i never get vines.

13. WCFmo

Leyline of Singularity
Karakas
Island
Meddling Mage
Pithing Needle

tunr 1 swing for 8.
karakas, bounce vine
hit for 6.
bounce vine,play neelde naming bazaar.
swing for 2.
play mage.
sit. bounce a creature with karakas.
swing with mage.
bounce other creature. game over.

14. LemonMeringue

Tropical Island
Daze
Mox Emerald
Channel
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

ihit for 8 turn 1 onthe play rendering emrakul uncastable. on the draw its the same as match 4.

15. Jtrade77

Leyline of Sanctity
Inkmoth Nexus
Inkmoth Nexus
Tabernacle of Pendrell Vale
Pendelhaven

yet again tabernacle owns my ass :/

16. Carbon

Mox Ruby
City of Traitors
Seething Song
Sneak Attack
Blightsteel Colossus

i can't stup colossus

17. coinmagic45

Leyline of Anticipation
Mox Pearl
Mox Sapphire
Meddling Mage
Meddling Mage

pretty much te same as sculler

18. Myy

Mox Emerald
Mox Emerald
Leyline of Anticipation
Channel
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn