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yakusoku Member	posted March 14, 2011 06:57 AM 5-Card Blind (5CB) is a very unique game. The rules are as follows: * Your deck is composed of 5 cards, all of which start in your hand. * You have no library (technically, the library exists, but starts at 0 cards) and no sideboard (Wishes fetch nothing). * Random effects always go against the owner of the card. * You can see your opponent's hand, so you can always make the best possible play. * You don't lose as a result of not being able to draw a card. * You will play each opponent twice, once going first, once going second. * For each win, you score 3. * For each draw, you score 1. * For each loss, you get nothing. * A subgame played with the card Shahrazad will result in an incomplete game and both players will receive ZERO points, since the main game cannot be resumed. Neither player loses or draws, so neither player earns any points. * Other than the aforementioned, EVERYTHING IS HANDLED EXACTLY LIKE A REAL GAME OF MAGIC! Remember, it is important for your deck to include a way to cast your cards! (Lands, artifact mana, pitch cards, etc.) If you want to play PM me a message in this format. Subject should include "Vanishing 5-Card Blind" (Just click on the little PM icon above my post and it should work out that way.) Card #1 Card #2 Card #3 Card #4 Card #5 Be sure you really are happy with your deck before you submit. Once you send in a deck, there is no changing it except in the case of an illegal entry. Please make every effort to spell your card names correctly. It makes it easier for everyone. Thanks. The "Vanishing" part is the twist. To start off with, only Unglued, Unhinged and Ante cards are banned. After each round, the 5 cards in the winning deck plus any cards in more than 1/3 of the decks played will be banned for all future rounds. Any lands that only provide mana are exempted from the banning rules. NO MISE DECKS! Any deck submitted MUST have some win condition. Any deck that can do no better than a draw against any possible deck will be rejected. A deck that can't win any game is mathematically eliminated from winning the round, and thus would just be taking a chance to win away from someone who could actually have a shot. ALL players will assist in judging. The way this will work is that after the submission period is over, After all decks are revealed, judge your own deck against every other deck (going first and going second). Post your findings here in this thread. They will be reviewed by everyone for accuracy. Once a winner is determined the winners deck will be added to the banned list and the next round will begin. Repeated failure to do your own scoring will result in suspensions! --------------Current banned list-------------- All Unglued cards All Unhinged cards All Ante cards All cards not appearing in Gatherer (World Champion, Shichifukujin Dragon, cards from a new set not yet released, etc.) Lands: Mishra's Workshop Artifacts: Black Lotus Ensnaring Bridge Scalding Tongs Trinisphere Blue: Force of Will Banned Decks (History) Round 1, eschewing Black Lotus and Force of Will - yakusoku: Mishra's Workshop Ensnaring Bridge Trinisphere Scalding Tongs Scalding Tongs Round 1, played by over 1/3 of players: Black Lotus Force of Will Decklists: 1. yakusoku Leyline of Anticipation Mox Sapphire Mox Pearl Meddling Mage Strip Mine 2. Magic1264 Illegal decklist 3. MAB_Rapper Island Brainstorm Daze Emrakul, the Aeons Torn Shelldock Isle 4. ScottyStyles Leyline of Anticipation Elvish Spirit Guide Elvish Spirit Guide Channel Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 5. LegendaryFerret Leyline of Anticipation Balance Mox Pearl Mox Pearl Memnite 6. Numotflame96 Bazaar of Baghdad Vengevine Vengevine Basking Rootwalla Memnite 7. AGO Dark Depths Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth Maze of Ith The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale Dust Bowl 8. alphastorm Plateau Stripmine The Tabernacle at pendrell vale Swords to plowshares Gorrila shaman 9. mattw Plains City of Traitors Elixir of Immortality Elixir of Immortality Serra Ascendant 10. Liq Daze Misdirection Foil Zealous Guardian Island 11. s14sh3r Mox Pearl City of Traitors Balance The Rack The Rack 12. SageShadows Leyline of Anticipation Mox Jet Mox Pearl Tidehollow Sculler Tidehollow Sculler 13. WCFmo Leyline of Singularity Karakas Island Meddling Mage Pithing Needle 14. LemonMeringue Tropical Island Daze Mox Emerald Channel Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 15. Jtrade77 Leyline of Sanctity Inkmoth Nexus Inkmoth Nexus Tabernacle of Pendrell Vale Pendelhaven 16. Carbon Mox Ruby City of Traitors Seething Song Sneak Attack Blightsteel Colossus 17. coinmagic45 Leyline of Anticipation Mox Pearl Mox Sapphire Meddling Mage Meddling Mage 18. Myy Mox Emerald Mox Emerald Leyline of Anticipation Channel Emrakul, the Aeons Torn [Edited 7 times, lastly by yakusoku on March 21, 2011]
ScottyStyles Member	posted March 14, 2011 02:21 PM In
SageShadows Member	posted March 14, 2011 03:32 PM When are decklists due?
yakusoku Member	posted March 14, 2011 04:07 PM WEDNESDAY. I will post a reminder on Wednesday morning.
WCFmo Member	posted March 14, 2011 04:21 PM quote: Originally posted by yakusoku: WEDNESDAY. I will post a reminder on Wednesday morning. So it's the same as last time? I got confused last time and thought it was due prior to Wednesday.
yakusoku Member	posted March 14, 2011 04:41 PM quote: Originally posted by WCFmo: So it's the same as last time? I got confused last time and thought it was due prior to Wednesday. Nope, it's the same as last time and all the other weeks of V#CB. Decks are due by Wednesday, lists go up on Thursday.
MAB_Rapper Member	posted March 15, 2011 06:01 AM quote: Originally posted by yakusoku: People who have submitted a decklist: 3. MAB_Rapper I'm back baby... (for one round) __________________ MOTL's Most Likely to Play in the Pro Tour - 2007, 2008, and 2009 (My Nationals) Cracking the Top 100 Ref Count - 4/1/10 (Currently #72 - #5 in new York)
Jtrade77 Member	posted March 16, 2011 02:08 AM Hopefully in before the deadline. Almost forgot about this.
yakusoku Member	posted March 16, 2011 01:50 PM TODAY is the last day to submit a deck. Decklists go up tomorrow morning.
yakusoku Member	posted March 17, 2011 09:02 AM The decklists have been posted. PLEASE make sure you use the proper deck number for your deck. Replace the '?' on the bottom line with the number next to your name on the decklist. Scoring: Play your deck against each other deck twice, once with you going first, once with them going first. Always remember that each deck is to be played perfectly. For each of the 2 games, score 3 points if your deck wins or 1 point if the game is a draw, with no points for a loss. Some examples: 2 wins (WW) is 6 points. A win and a draw (WD) is 4 points. A win and a loss (WL) is 3 points. 2 draws (DD) is 2 points. A draw and a loss (DL) is 1 point. 2 losses (LL) is 0 points. Plug YOUR deck number into the ? below the ##, and your score against each deck into the other slots. Do not play your deck against itself. Just enter an 'x' in the chart under your deck number. Please copy-and-paste the following code into your Message box in order to assist you with scoring: code: [CODE] ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 TOTAL ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? [/CODE]
coinmagic45 Member	posted March 17, 2011 09:35 AM I should have had a plan against Tabernacle... code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 TOTAL 17 2 6 6 2 2 6 0 0 6 00 00 02 02 06 00 06 XX 02 48 1. yakusoku - Whoever casts Mox 1st loses so we draw. DD 2. Magic1264 - Mage on Channel wins. WW 3. MAB_Rapper - Mage on Brainstorm wins. WW 4. ScottyStyles - Both have Leylines, so we can't cast a Mox or the other responds with the combo. DD 5. LegendaryFerret - Both have Leylines, so we can't cast a Mox or the other responds with the combo. DD 6. Numotflame96 - Mage on Rootwalla wins. WW 7. AGO - Tabernacle means I can't ever play my 2nd Mage. Maze stops the 1 Mage. LL 8. alphastorm - Shaman eats my Moxes and Tabernacle kills my Mage. LL 9. mattw - Mage on Ascendant, then Mage on Elixir wins. WW 10. Liq - Foil counters a Mox and I lose. LL 11. s14sh3r - On the play, I don't play Leyline and play turn 1 Mage on The Rack. He plays turn 1 land+Mox+Balance+The Rack. I play Mage on The Rack and he outraces me. So, I play turn 1 Mage on Balance. He plays 2x The Rack and outraces me. I can't outrace him with my 2/2... LL 12. SageShadows - His Sculler takes my Mage, and my Mage stops his 2nd Sculler. We wait until we have untapped mana to chump block, then play our 2nd bears. DD 13. WCFmo - I play turn 0 Mage on Mage. He plays Karakas. I attack and he bounces Mage. I replay Mage on Mage. On his turn, he doesn't have enough mana to bounce Mage and play Mage, but Karakas stops me from ever getting through. DD 14. LemonMeringue - Mage on Channel wins. WW 15. Jtrade77 - Inkmoth + Pendelhave outraces me. LL 16. Carbon - Mage on Seething wins. WW 18. Myy - Both have Leylines, so we can't cast a Mox or the other responds with the combo. DD __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide [Edited 2 times, lastly by coinmagic45 on March 20, 2011]
LegendaryFerret Member	posted March 17, 2011 09:39 AM I think these are all straightforward. Against non-leyline decks I force the hand discard. Against leyline decks either of us will respond to the others first mana source with our combo, so we both just sit there. The only exception is that I trade across with rootwalla and the Emrakul shuffle beats me in the shelldock combo deck -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 TOTAL 06 2 6 0 2 x 2 6 6 6 06 06 02 00 06 06 06 02 02 66 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edit: I missed that leyline of singularity shuts down my mana so I lose those two. Should have used two different moxes =P [Edited 1 times, lastly by LegendaryFerret on March 17, 2011]
LegendaryFerret Member	posted March 17, 2011 09:42 AM Coin, I think we disagree. Suppose you lead out on a mana source. I respond with memnite. With memnite on the stack, I cast pearl, pearl, let the pearls resolve, balance. I have no cards in hand, then the memnite resolves and kills you. You can respond with your other mana source, but you lose the mages (since you don't have the mana for it yet since the other mana source is still on the stack) and then I kill you. So neither of us ever plays a mox (since you could do the same to me), so we draw
Myy Member	posted March 17, 2011 09:45 AM Can't meddling mage be responded to with channel and Then Emrakul?
LegendaryFerret Member	posted March 17, 2011 09:47 AM Yeah, same deal - just respond to the first mana source with all your stuff and the mage can't be cast fast enough. Of course, the same is true the other way =) [Edited 1 times, lastly by LegendaryFerret on March 17, 2011]
coinmagic45 Member	posted March 17, 2011 10:43 AM quote: Originally posted by LegendaryFerret: Coin, I think we disagree. Good point! I didn't think about Memnite then respond with Balance. Nice deck! Myy, also true. I fixed my scores. __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide
Jtrade77 Member	posted March 17, 2011 12:13 PM code: code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 TOTAL 15. 0 6 0 6 0 6 0 0 0 06 02 06 00 00 XX 00 06 06 44 15. Jtrade77 Leyline of Sanctity Inkmoth Nexus Inkmoth Nexus Tabernacle of Pendrell Vale Pendelhaven 1 yakusoku I play nexus, he plays strip mine. 18 I play pendelhaven, he attacks with mage 16 At this point, he can win the attacking race by stripping a pendelhaven'd nexus He can do 7 faster than I can do 10 poison with only a 1/1 nexus. If I block, Mage is 1/1 but still wins. 2 He cannot target me with Rocket Launcher due to Leyline. He can Channel into infinite mana anytime during his turn, but Channel wears off and he doesn't get back the Spirit Guides. Win for me. -- You have ten or more poison counters. Lich's Mirror doesn't remove poison counters. If you'd lose the game this way, you'll do what Lich's Mirror says, then you'll lose the game the next time state-based actions are checked. 3 He plays island I play Nexus He plays brainstorm, puts Emrakul on top, puts Daze on top. He plays Shelldock, gets Emrakul I play Pendelhaven, swing 1. He untaps, can use the Isle as a combat trick. Emrakul wins the race. 4, 18 On my upkeep, he plays Emrakul as instant, get an extra turn, swings once. I play Tabernacle, he can't pay 1. I win. If he waits for on me, Tabernacle comes down first; he still can't pay one before attacking and I have 2 Nexus so blocking one doesn't work. 5 he stacks Memnite and plays balance as Instant on my upkeep. It wins. 6,10 Tabernacle wins, and/or Inkmouth beatdown 7 I play down Nexus/Nexus/Haven/Tabernacle in that order. This lets attack with two nexus thanks to his Tomb. I hit for a couple poison. He plays Tomb, Maze (stops my attack), Depths, Dust Bowl. His Tabernacle blow up mine, and I'm down to one attack stopped via Maze. He has 3 mana (depths/bowl/tomb) to activate depths. Eventually marit lage comes out to play and I lose. 8 Tabernacles trade. He strips a nexus and plows the other. Shaman wins. 9 He wins the race, though I get him up to 7 poison. 11 Draw. Leyline means he can't target me with The Rack. 12 & 17 He can't target me with Sculler (or name anyting with Mage). He can pay for Sculler via Tabernacle. edit: coinmagic said I outrace him -- lets do the math them 2/2 me tabernacle (limiting them to one 2/2 bear) them 18 me nexus them 16 me haven 1p them 14 me 3p them 12 me 5p them 10 me 7p them 8 me 9 them 6 me WIN -- provided I play the Tabernacle as my first land, and not allow a double 2/2 board presence. 13, 14, 16 I lose [Edited 2 times, lastly by Jtrade77 on March 17, 2011]
Myy Member	posted March 17, 2011 12:44 PM so Why can't we pay the 1 from tabernacle with the Moxen?
WCFmo Member	posted March 17, 2011 12:56 PM [QUOTE]Originally posted by Jtrade77: [B] code: code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 TOTAL 13 0 0 2 0 6 3 2 4 6 02 00 06 XX 02 06 03 02 06 50 1. yakusoku LL He names pithing needle Leyline of Anticipation Mox Sapphire Mox Pearl Meddling Mage Strip Mine 2. Magic1264 LL Elvish Spirit Guide Elvish Spirit Guide Channel Lich's Mirror Rocket Launcher 3. MAB_Rapper DD 2 Island Brainstorm Daze Emrakul, the Aeons Torn Shelldock Isle 4. ScottyStyles LL 0 Leyline of Anticipation Elvish Spirit Guide Elvish Spirit Guide Channel Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 5. LegendaryFerret WW 6 Leyline of Anticipation Balance Mox Pearl Mox Pearl Memnite 6. Numotflame96 WL 3 Bazaar of Baghdad Vengevine Vengevine Basking Rootwalla Memnite 7. AGO DD 2 Dark Depths Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth Maze of Ith The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale Dust Bowl 8. alphastorm WD 4 Plateau Stripmine The Tabernacle at pendrell vale Swords to plowshares Gorrila shaman 9. mattw WW 6 Plains City of Traitors Elixir of Immortality Elixir of Immortality Serra Ascendant 10. Liq DD 2 Daze Misdirection Foil Zealous Guardian Island 11. s14sh3r Mox Pearl LL 0 City of Traitors Balance The Rack The Rack 12. SageShadows WW 6 Leyline of Anticipation Mox Jet Mox Pearl Tidehollow Sculler Tidehollow Sculler 13. WCFmo XX X Leyline of Singularity Karakas Island Meddling Mage Pithing Needle 14. LemonMeringue DD 2 Tropical Island Daze Mox Emerald Channel Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 15. Jtrade77 WW 6 Leyline of Sanctity Inkmoth Nexus Inkmoth Nexus Tabernacle of Pendrell Vale Pendelhaven 16. Carbon WL 3 Mox Ruby City of Traitors Seething Song Sneak Attack Blightsteel Colossus 17. coinmagic45 DD 2 Leyline of Anticipation Mox Pearl Mox Sapphire Meddling Mage Meddling Mage 18. Myy WW 6 Mox Emerald Mox Emerald Leyline of Anticipation Channel Emrakul, the Aeons Torn __________________ <Liq> you just can't expect a sig worthy line to appear out of nowhere on demand <stacker> i dont hang out with the patients afterwards, we got nurses for that
Carbon Member	posted March 17, 2011 02:00 PM 16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 TOTAL xx 0 3 3 2 0 3 0 3 6 00 03 00 03 03 06 xx 00 02 37 Leyline of anticipations were the way to go lol
Myy Member	posted March 17, 2011 02:25 PM quote: Originally posted by Carbon: 16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 TOTAL xx 0 3 3 2 0 3 0 3 6 00 03 00 03 03 06 xx 00 02 37 Leyline of anticipations were the way to go lol I believe it is WW for me against you. because I can play Emarakul on your turn, and attack on Mine, and the Xtra.
TimeBeing Member	posted March 17, 2011 02:35 PM quote: Originally posted by coinmagic45: 1. yakusoku - That's the other card I was going to play! Play or draw doesn't matter. He can't attack or my 2nd Mage wins. I start the race and he's forced to block. Then my 2nd Mage wins. WW i believe its draw/draw. First person to put a mox on the stack loses to Mox/Mox/Mage naming mage. Both players sit and look at each other. quote: Originally posted by Jtrade77: 11 Draw. Leyline means he can't target me with The Rack. The Rack doesn't target. [Edited 4 times, lastly by TimeBeing on March 17, 2011]
Myy Member	posted March 17, 2011 03:12 PM quote: Originally posted by LegendaryFerret: ... and the Emrakul shuffle beats me in the shelldock combo deck... SO even if I play my mox first and you balance, I still get everything back, so how is that a DD?
LegendaryFerret Member	posted March 17, 2011 03:19 PM I wait until any point after that. If you cast the emrakul, you're at 5 so can't do it again (so I can balance and kill it). Or I can respond to the channel which won't go to your graveyard to be shuffled back in until after it resolves (which is too late). Edit: It's not really the shuffle, it's the daze plus the shuffle [Edited 1 times, lastly by LegendaryFerret on March 17, 2011]
yakusoku Member	posted March 17, 2011 03:37 PM code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 TOTAL 01 X 6 6 2 2 6 6 0 6 02 00 02 02 06 06 06 02 02 62 1. yakusoku XX Leyline of Anticipation Mox Sapphire Mox Pearl Meddling Mage Strip Mine 2. Magic1264 WW. During either player's upkeep, I cast Meddling Mage and name Channel. 3. MAB_Rapper WW. I cast Meddling Mage naming Brainstorm. I can also Strip Mine his Island to stop anything he wants to do. 4. ScottyStyles DD. We stare at each other. First to play something loses as the other person does something in response and wins. 5. LegendaryFerret DD. If I play first, he plays Memnite in response and Balance while Memnite is on the stack. If he plays Memnite, I play a Mox and he's forced to play Balance before I play my 2/2, causing a draw. Neither player does anything. 6. Numotflame96 WW. During his upkeep, I name Memnite and he can't do anything but play a Basking Rootwalla and lose to my 2/2. 7. AGO WW. I strip the Maze, pay for Tabernacle with Mox and race Dark Depths. 8. alphastorm LL. I name Swords to Plowshares with Meddling Mage. He plays Strip Mine and takes 2. I can play Strip Mine this turn or next turn after he plays Plateau, but either way, he plays Gorilla Shaman and destroys both my Moxes, then plays Tabernacle and he still has either Plateau or Strip Mine to pay for Tabernacle and I have nothing. 9. mattw WW. I name Elixir of Immortality and race his Serra Ascendant. 10. Liq DD. He plays Foil on any spells, but loses his Island he needs to play Zealous Guardian. If he plays Zealous Guardian, holding back Daze, I Strip Mine his Island and win. So, we stare. 11. s14sh3r LL. During his upkeep, I play Meddling Mage naming Balance and 2x Rack kills me. 12. SageShadows DD. First to act loses. 13. WCFmo DD. 14. LemonMeringue WW. During his upkeep, I play Meddling Mage naming Mox Emerald. 15. Jtrade77 WW. Jtrade detailed this above. With Strip Mine, I prevent him from both activating Inkmoth Nexus and pumping it up with Pendelhaven, so he loses the race and eventually is forced to block, but a 1/1 gets in there still. 16. Carbon WW. During his upkeep, I name Mox Ruby with Meddling Mage. 17. coinmagic45 DD. First to play a Mox loses to the other play who plays two Moxes and names Meddling Mage. 18. Myy DD. We stare. First to play loses. [Edited 1 times, lastly by yakusoku on March 17, 2011]

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