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Topic: Wotc's long line of awful decision making/changes
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coolio Member
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posted April 13, 2011 09:56 PM
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/news/041411anot sure how more gps will work out, but that's the only positive change i see coming outta that announcement. © __________________ Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong. -Christopher HitchensReligion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -Seneca the Younger
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DerangedHermit Member
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posted April 13, 2011 10:28 PM
Oh man! Because I certainly will miss those "awesome" Gray Matter prereleases.
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coolio Member
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posted April 13, 2011 10:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by DerangedHermit: Oh man! Because I certainly will miss those "awesome" Gray Matter prereleases.
you've always hated GM, so that statement outta u, not a surprise. not that any of the random nowheresville long island events u speak of sounded amazing, if anything, given the attendance you mentioned, and the product support you mentioned, they're shorting the base minimum given out, as well as running it in an sketchy format.. so whatevs. © __________________ Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong. -Christopher HitchensReligion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -Seneca the Younger
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Zakman86 Member
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posted April 13, 2011 11:13 PM
I don't see the issue with the PT thing.We also don't have large regional pre-releases around here, so I don't understand the backlash about that.
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Havoc Demon Member
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posted April 13, 2011 11:14 PM
Hate this for two reasons:1) Likely no artists 2) 95 person prereleases in crowded basements. May just go up to Manchester for these events instead of the one 10 minutes away. __________________ Most References in Massachusetts 85th All-timeSupport my friend's store: http://www.tabletoparena.com
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Liq Member
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posted April 13, 2011 11:28 PM
Used to love going to a Regional PR. Meet up with old friends, find new ones, have a blast. However since they've allowed LGS to run them, they've lost their luster. Should have done this at least a year ago.__________________ <Jazaray> LIQ! <Jazaray> you broke MOTL <Liq> totally <BoltBait> Don't make me kick you <Slinga> Have no fear, MOTL's janitor is here! <nderdog> So we're all agreed, it's Liq's fault, right? <Leshrac> let me deal with that * Liq has been banned
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MoxMonkey Member
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posted April 13, 2011 11:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by Havoc Demon: Hate this for two reasons:1) Likely no artists 2) 95 person prereleases in crowded basements.
+1
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Mr.C Member
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posted April 14, 2011 12:55 AM
quote: Originally posted by Liq: Used to love going to a Regional PR. Meet up with old friends, find new ones, have a blast. However since they've allowed LGS to run them, they've lost their luster. Should have done this at least a year ago.
Yeah. Gonna suck to not have the "big" pre-release. Gets boring as hell to play with the same people all the time. Plus, the trading sucks. __________________ #1 in posts from Brazil!#3 in Refs from Brazil; Got any Portuguese Foils? Post on my list or email me at valter.cid@gmail.com !
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AlmostGrown Member
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posted April 14, 2011 03:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by Mr.C: Yeah. Gonna suck to not have the "big" pre-release. Gets boring as hell to play with the same people all the time. Plus, the trading sucks.
These are about as severe as the downsides get. __________________ send ref checks, paypal payment or any questions to the email in my profile! Serra Angel Count: 270 Nightmare Count: 103 DCI Rules Advisor PlasteredDragon - Gone but not forgotten
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Hooskdaddy Member
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posted April 14, 2011 04:15 AM
did i misread this or are they doing away with all the side events at Pro Tours? "focusing solely on the pro tour"
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MagixDK Member
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posted April 14, 2011 04:58 AM
i dont think they will stop sideevents.i love the increase in GPs. now mtg will have more global appeal. Imagine us europeans having more premier events. im specifically hoping to see 2 legacy GPs in europe next year. with 40 GPs every year, its plausible. edit: typing correctly with laptop in a rocky train is hard.
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Hermann -ICE- Member
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posted April 14, 2011 07:06 AM
Did any other country apart from the USA have these regional pre-releases?
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted April 14, 2011 07:18 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hooskdaddy: did i misread this or are they doing away with all the side events at Pro Tours? "focusing solely on the pro tour"
I think you read it correctly. That will not be a popular change. quote: For players looking to get their fix for public events and other activities previously offered alongside the Pro Tour at Magic Weekend, the expanded Grand Prix program will provide ample opportunity to interact with the wider Magic community at large-scale events.
I'm also wondering if this will mean smaller GPs overall. With more events, I think a lot of people might opt not to drive as far for a GP, knowing that there is a closer one later.
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JoshSherman Member
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posted April 14, 2011 07:18 AM
quote: Originally posted by Mr.C: Yeah. Gonna suck to not have the "big" pre-release. Gets boring as hell to play with the same people all the time. Plus, the trading sucks.
We have several people that only come to the store for prerelease events. There are weeks when I have trouble getting 8 people for an FNM, but can consistently draw 40 for a prerelease. I know that's not many on the grand scheme, I'm just illustrating that we don't have that problem. I also don't anticipate a large increase in the number of players in our events. We're about 1.5 hours away from Pittsburgh, but I can't imagine that many people from the area travel there instead of staying here. Gas is too expensive for that sort of stuff. At any rate, it doesn't really affect us because no one at WotC cares about WV. Not suggesting they should, per se. quote: Originally posted by Meddling Pimp: I think you read it correctly. That will not be a popular change.
What other professional sports have amateur side events? I think it's a good thing. __________________ *MafiaBass*Joshweek*Letter Bombs!*Logout Mottle Salvation- a new place to play Mafia and WW
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I3Iood Member
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posted April 14, 2011 08:10 AM
quote: Originally posted by Zakman86: We also don't have large regional pre-releases around here, so I don't understand the backlash about that.
Just because you do not have something means you can't understand why other people who have it and like it are mad about losing it? Please Explain...... quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman: What other professional sports have amateur side events? I think it's a good thing.
What other "professional sport" can have people out of nowhere qualify and play the next week? Also what other "professional sport" are presented in a convention setting that cater to "non professionals" attending them? edit: formatting
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Havoc Demon Member
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posted April 14, 2011 08:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman:
What other professional sports have amateur side events? I think it's a good thing.
I wouldn't call this a professional sport by any stretch of the imagination. But that's just me nitpicking. __________________ Most References in Massachusetts 85th All-timeSupport my friend's store: http://www.tabletoparena.com
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bertrand Member
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posted April 14, 2011 08:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by AlmostGrown: These are about as severe as the downsides get.
That, and no more Magic artists are ever going to come to Montreal
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TimeBeing Member
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posted April 14, 2011 08:44 AM
Its a weird announcement but there is only four pro tours a year so they will just lose a little luster, hopefully this doesn't include Worlds.Then again maybe every pro tour will ave a Grand Prix with it like Paris.
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MagixDK Member
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posted April 14, 2011 09:06 AM
im just begging for some legacy events that not K16.
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Mr.C Member
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posted April 14, 2011 09:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by Hermann -ICE-: Did any other country apart from the USA have these regional pre-releases?
At least Canada and Brazil.
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Volcanon Member
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posted April 14, 2011 09:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by Mr.C: At least Canada and Brazil.
They did in Japan. I pwned at the draft table at the Coldsnap pre-release in Chiba City. And then I got pwned in the Tokyo Eventide one (In, uh, Asakusa?) I guess if I'd ever been to a "fun" regional pre-release except for my time in Japan I might care more. The Vancouver one was pretty sucky until they allowed game stores to run them (though I do recall getting a decree of pain for my pearl dragon. In 2004. MEGA TRADES!!!), and afterwards it was uber sucky. I think I got one trade in the RoE one and then fifteen idiots saying "your force of will, my foil plains". Can university clubs have FNM again? Pretty please? If I have to choose between large room, people all about my own age, and mostly cool people, or many young children and guys over 50 for some reason, not at all cool, inside a broom closet at the LGS then yeah, no shiney FNM foils for me.
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CubFan81 Member
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posted April 14, 2011 10:33 AM
I'm curious why they're releasing the schedule piece meal instead of all at once. It would definitely make it easier to plan out trips if you knew all of them and their dates.
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MAB_Rapper Member
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posted April 14, 2011 10:47 AM
Considering I haven't done a Gray Matter Pre-Release in years, this will have almost no impact on the casual Long Island crew. It might also be that many places were having bad turnouts for the "big" Pre-Releases with local stores being able to do their own.I actually like the adding of more GPs, since the attendance has been growing more and more every year. I just wish they would release it all at once. __________________ MOTL's Most Likely to Play in the Pro Tour - 2007, 2008, and 2009 (My Nationals) The Official Tower Magic Facebook Page
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JoshSherman Member
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posted April 14, 2011 11:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by I3Iood Also what other "professional sport" are presented in a convention setting that cater to "non professionals" attending them?edit: formatting
That's my point. Why do it? __________________ *MafiaBass*Joshweek*Letter Bombs!*Logout Mottle Salvation- a new place to play Mafia and WW
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caquaa Member
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posted April 14, 2011 05:14 PM
quote: Because of the ambitious nature of this schedule, we plan on announcing upcoming Grand Prix and Pro Tours closer to when they occur rather than announcing the entire season at once.
this is the worst part of this announcement. It makes it very hard to plan out what I want to attend. Seeing a GP well off into the future to save up money for a hotel and plane ticket is kinda good. If we're given 3 months or so then its not really ideal. Hopefully they realize this error quickly, but my bet is they aren't planning the GPs that far ahead and just throwing out random ideas then announcing them. Also, this changes makes protours more awkward for people attending that are Q'd. if you want to play in a last chance qualifier (assuming they even have it?) then there wouldn't be anything else for you to do if you attended. By the announcement it sounds more like if you aren't Q'd you might not even be let in the doors. Doesn't sound like a positive change at all.
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