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Topic: Reprint fatigue
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MTDetermine Member
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posted June 17, 2011 08:49 AM

Anyway, unlike financial markets, the MTG trading market is too small to have any impact on the real economy. Hence, I do not support WOTC policy of such frequent reprints as this amounts to interference in a free market. If MTG is a stockmarket, Hasbro would have be hauled up before the Senate on charges of "market manipulation". Of course, being a trading card game, MTG is much less serious than that, haha. Well, but it appears some segments (eg: stu55) love these reprints a lot. To each his own. So yes, I am against such frequent reprints but you also have significant number of people who love it.
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James_Hetfield2 Member
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posted June 17, 2011 08:50 AM
  
They are reprinting way too much.Anyway when does Force of Will see a reprint 
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CoupDeGrace Member
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posted June 17, 2011 08:54 AM

quote: Originally posted by James_Hetfield2: Anyway when does Force of Will see a reprint 
That is a "very good" question !
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Devonin Member
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posted June 18, 2011 07:52 AM
  
To which the answer better be "never" ?
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rats60 Member
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posted June 18, 2011 09:08 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by Devonin: To which the answer better be "never" ?
It most likely will be reprinted in limited form. Probably as a Judge Promo. They could also do it in a FTV set like Berserk. It won't be anything to hurt its value. They did Wasteland as a Judge Promo and it didn't hurt its value.
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tyler416nes New Member
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posted June 18, 2011 03:14 PM

I kinda moved away from yugioh for the same reason, too many reprints flooding the market. However, I don't think its a bad thing as long as the products are focused and not just being made to make a buck
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Volcanon Member
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posted June 18, 2011 03:24 PM

quote: Originally posted by tyler416nes: I kinda moved away from yugioh for the same reason, too many reprints flooding the market. However, I don't think its a bad thing as long as the products are focused and not just being made to make a buck
As far as I can tell, the YGO reprints take a $100 card and reprint it as a common, which murders the value of the cards. WOTC isn't quite doing that.
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choco man Member
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posted June 19, 2011 02:24 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: As far as I can tell, the YGO reprints take a $100 card and reprint it as a common, which murders the value of the cards. WOTC isn't quite doing that.
It's not like there's a lack of people clamoring for it though. Reprints as rares would murder the value of a card, since rares are mostly worthless these days.
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Bugger Member
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posted June 19, 2011 06:25 AM

quote: Originally posted by choco man: It's not like there's a lack of people clamoring for it though.Reprints as rares would murder the value of a card, since rares are mostly worthless these days.
Stoneforge says hi. Also, I forgot where I read this, but I recall someone having done some math and the odds of pulling a given mythic from a small set now is pretty much the same as pulling a given rare from one of the large sets of yore. __________________ "I never got any respect at all. My family moved a lot when I was a kid, but I always found them." -- Rodney Dangerfield
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hammr7 Member
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posted June 19, 2011 07:12 AM

Just remember that Wizards makes money off of new cards, and makes nothing off the secondary market. So they care about servicing players, who are still the vast majority of their market. Collectors are an afterthought. The pro players, and the pro wannabees, will spend whatever it takes to get the best cards for their current deck(s). For them, the individual card investment is relatively small compared to the bragging rights (if local) or the possible financial rewards (at the top pro ranks). For casual players, as noted above, the current multitude of offerings provide pretty nice options, whether playing once a week at a local shop or playing on the kitchen table. It seems the only ones who lose out are the collectors who have to have one of everything (that would be me, but I'm always 5 years or more behind, and I don't collect sealed product or foreign languages) and some of the "hustlers", who are looking to grab some of the aftermarket markup. If more of the aftermarket markup goes to Wizard's retail marketers, then that helps Wizards maintain a strong retail network (so long as it doesn't get out of hand).
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rats60 Member
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posted June 19, 2011 08:44 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by Bugger: Stoneforge says hi.Also, I forgot where I read this, but I recall someone having done some math and the odds of pulling a given mythic from a small set now is pretty much the same as pulling a given rare from one of the large sets of yore.
Do you mean the card that has lost half its value since it was reprinted in an event deck?
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Bugger Member
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posted June 19, 2011 10:01 AM

quote: Originally posted by rats60: Do you mean the card that has lost half its value since it was reprinted in an event deck?
Yes, but I'm not sure I follow your point. If you're equating an event deck printing to an expansion printing, I don't know that that's entirely fair. Event Decks are about as close as it gets to spamming the market with the card in question, considering they're distributed pretty much as widely as booster boxes and are guaranteed to have (in this case) 2 copies of the card in question for each for only 25.00. Rather than getting 1 or so per box like it was in, say, Worldwake. __________________ "I never got any respect at all. My family moved a lot when I was a kid, but I always found them." -- Rodney Dangerfield
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rats60 Member
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posted June 19, 2011 10:35 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by Bugger: Yes, but I'm not sure I follow your point. If you're equating an event deck printing to an expansion printing, I don't know that that's entirely fair. Event Decks are about as close as it gets to spamming the market with the card in question, considering they're distributed pretty much as widely as booster boxes and are guaranteed to have (in this case) 2 copies of the card in question for each for only 25.00. Rather than getting 1 or so per box like it was in, say, Worldwake.
The number of event decks printed are far less than the number of booster boxes. If Stoneforge had been reprinted in an expansion as a rare, it would be much less than it is now.
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Bugger Member
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posted June 19, 2011 10:54 AM

quote: Originally posted by rats60: The number of event decks printed are far less than the number of booster boxes. If Stoneforge had been reprinted in an expansion as a rare, it would be much less than it is now.
Eh, fair enough. __________________ "I never got any respect at all. My family moved a lot when I was a kid, but I always found them." -- Rodney Dangerfield
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Teferi Planeswalker Member
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posted June 20, 2011 10:10 PM
  
Well Slinga, WotC has responded.http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/737
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joz Banned
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posted June 20, 2011 10:48 PM

quote: Originally posted by Teferi Planeswalker: Well Slinga, WotC has responded.http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/737
hmm.. one of the Akromas, possibly Spirit of the Night? Angel of Despair? Kokusho? Iona, wurmcoil, all 5 titans? Thraximundar?> so many options... and I bet WOTC is gona be "Ihsans Shade, Predator Dragon, Great Sable Stag, goliath sphinx, serra angel, enjoi your precon kthx bye thx 4 cash" __________________ Joz - can we ban Leshrac for not fixing the Chrome PM issue?Gunslinga - If I thought it would help, and if I could, I would.
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EuroRunner Member
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posted June 20, 2011 10:51 PM

quote: Originally posted by Teferi Planeswalker: Well Slinga, WotC has responded.http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/737
Digging the artwork at the bottom. Makeover for Phantom Nishoba maybe?
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Sovarius Member
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posted June 20, 2011 11:19 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by joz: wurmcoil, all 5 titans? Thraximundar?
Typical reanimator targets. Who wants a 6/6 no-evasion land fetch.... Artisan of Kozilek and It That Betrays would be nice, i play them in mine. Inkwell Leviathan is cool too. Kokusho needs to die to be particularly good, and i don't think they are putting two in the deck. This might do a bit to help me get an Entomb though, can only assume they put it in.
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Bugger Member
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posted June 21, 2011 06:50 AM

I'm kind of hoping they take it easy with the entombs, especially if there's only going to be 8 rares. My guess is the primary graveyard fillers will be Buried Alive and Careful Study. Reanimators will be reanimate and exhume, or (fingers crossed) animate dead. As far as targets go, I'd put money on at *least* akroma of wrath, terastodon, and Iona. Maybe sphinx of the steel wind (a guy can dream). And then a few crappy targets, of course.All in all though this is the first premium deck ive had any interest in buying. I've always liked reanimator, and most of the fatties can go in my EDH decks (vish kal in particular would like buried alive and foil Iona). Not to mention the reanimating spells themselves. __________________ "I never got any respect at all. My family moved a lot when I was a kid, but I always found them." -- Rodney Dangerfield
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AlmostGrown Member
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posted June 21, 2011 09:15 AM
  
The PDS is gonna be siiiiiick for my Dredge deck. Hoping for nice foil (possibly) alt art Dread Return targets. At worst, it'll get me to rebuild a reanimator EDH deck again. TENEBINATOR!
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MTDetermine Member
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posted June 21, 2011 09:19 AM

quote: Originally posted by Bugger: I'm kind of hoping they take it easy with the entombs, especially if there's only going to be 8 rares. My guess is the primary graveyard fillers will be Buried Alive and Careful Study. Reanimators will be reanimate and exhume, or (fingers crossed) animate dead. As far as targets go, I'd put money on at *least* akroma of wrath, terastodon, and Iona. Maybe sphinx of the steel wind (a guy can dream). And then a few crappy targets, of course.All in all though this is the first premium deck ive had any interest in buying. I've always liked reanimator, and most of the fatties can go in my EDH decks (vish kal in particular would like buried alive and foil Iona). Not to mention the reanimating spells themselves.
I think Entomb will be the "key attraction card" in this Graveborn thingy. Its obvious from the introduction wordings that Entomb, Exhume, Reanimate will be in this deck
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CoupDeGrace Member
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posted June 21, 2011 09:30 AM

Entomb will be the main attraction !
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pugowar Member
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posted June 22, 2011 05:51 AM
  
And now we get a core set reprint of Grim Lavamancer.Does the value take the same hit that Nantuko shade did?
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WCFmo Member
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posted June 22, 2011 06:01 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by pugowar: And now we get a core set reprint of Grim Lavamancer.Does the value take the same hit that Nantuko shade did?
Not as much I would guess, Shade isn't really played in legacy (or even in standard now)...so I wager that the casual players were making it more expensive. Grim Lavamancer is played in legacy, it's price will drop (2nd time it's reprinted) but I imagine it will end up worth 2 bucks if it gets played in standard at least. __________________ <Liq> you just can't expect a sig worthy line to appear out of nowhere on demand <stacker> i dont hang out with the patients afterwards, we got nurses for that <WCFmo> is your y button broke :D? <WCFmo> "ou" <LemonM> wow <LemonM> mabe it is <LemonM> ...
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Cyno Member
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posted June 22, 2011 06:47 AM

I dunno about Grim Lavamancer. It might be strong enough to stay at Fauna Shaman pricelevel. Maybe even more, $6 should not be out of the question.Of course there's also the possibility that the new Chandra will be of a jace-like powerlevel. Which would mean that Lavamancer could be the new stoneforge.
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