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Topic: Reprint fatigue
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Tha Gunslinga
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posted June 15, 2011 10:08 AM
         
Wizards has been reprinting stuff like crazy lately. In the past, reprints were limited to base sets and occasionally other products like Chronicles, CE and IE, preconstructed decks, Anthologies/Battle Royale/Beatdown, and the World Champs decks. But lately they've been pumping out cards like mad. It feels like they've done more reprinting in the last 2 or 3 years than in the previous 15. Off the top of my head:Jace vs Chandra
Garruk vs Liliana
Archenemy
Planechase
Angels vs Demons
Slivers
Commander decks
Deckbuilder box
prerelease and release foils
Elspeth vs Tezzeret
Phyrexia vs the Coalition
From the Vaults: Relics/Dragons/Exiled/Legends
base sets every year instead of every other year. Is anyone else feeling really overwhelmed by this? I can't even keep track of the expansion symbols, and it feels like I'm constantly hearing "what set is that from?" about cards that I didn't even realize were reprinted. I would hate to be a collector trying to buy one of each new product; it seems like you'd never be able to keep up. __________________
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Bugger
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posted June 15, 2011 10:15 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
Wizards has been reprinting stuff like crazy lately. In the past, reprints were limited to base sets and occasionally other products like Chronicles, CE and IE, preconstructed decks, Anthologies/Battle Royale/Beatdown, and the World Champs decks. But lately they've been pumping out cards like mad. It feels like they've done more reprinting in the last 2 or 3 years than in the previous 15. Off the top of my head:Jace vs Chandra
Garruk vs Liliana
Archenemy
Planechase
Angels vs Demons
Slivers
Commander decks
Deckbuilder box
prerelease and release foils
Elspeth vs Tezzeret
Phyrexia vs the Coalition
From the Vaults: Relics/Dragons/Exiled/Legends
base sets every year instead of every other year. Is anyone else feeling really overwhelmed by this? I can't even keep track of the expansion symbols, and it feels like I'm constantly hearing "what set is that from?" about cards that I didn't even realize were reprinted. I would hate to be a collector trying to buy one of each new product; it seems like you'd never be able to keep up.
Yeah, I honestly don't think anyone would be hurting if they quit printing premium decks. Those don't seem to be moving off shelves at all. My LGS still has most of the slivers ones they picked up. __________________
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sammyt125
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posted June 15, 2011 10:18 AM
I agree. I like the Summer multiplayer release they have done for the past couple of years (although the Archenemy gimmick sucked in almost every way), but the "vs" decks are a bit much.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by sammyt125 on June 15, 2011]
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stu55
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posted June 15, 2011 10:50 AM
I think it is fine. It allows newer players to pick up older cards cheaper than they would normally. Plus a lot of the stuff is gaining value. These Commander decks are going to be insane. It does suck with which expansion, but it almost doesn't matter some times.
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psrex
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posted June 15, 2011 10:58 AM
I think that the current reprints are great. Wizards phased out the World Championship decks, which I was initially unhappy with, but I'm thrilled with the replacements that we're getting. The cards are legal to play now (instead of being gold-bordered), and they offer a good source of a nice variety of casual decks.For newer player, picking up two copies lets you easily customize a deck and get enough of the main components so that you can get a much more consistent experience. It also offers a nice entry into deck building in that you get to work with a pretty solid deck to start with, and then making minor decisions lets you see how the changes are working. All of the prebuilt decks may not be great for the people that want to have one of everything, but it's great for casual gamers and new players. As far as which group to cater toward, I'm happy that Wizards is picking the market of new players.
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eXtremeEagle
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posted June 15, 2011 11:02 AM
I like the duel decks, but I wouldn't mind if they would cut back on them a bit. Put some more work into them and release them less often. DvD, EvT, and the Japanese JvC were cool but I could do without GvL, KvD, and PvC.Planechase and Archenemy I have no problem with, but if they're going to develop a new format they need to show it a little more support instead of releasing it then pretending it never existed. I don't know if I would count the Deckbuilder's Box as a reprint, seemed more like a giant booster pack with some cards predetermined. These are good for people just getting into the game, I gave one to my sis before she went off to college. FtV are fine as long as it's once a year, and only given out to LGS like they are now. The Premium Decks I could do without, honestly. I've had no desire to pay 20-35 bucks for an all foil deck where I might want one card out of it. Chain Lightning was a nice include, but I'd much rather buy four singles then four of these decks. __________________
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Eatatjoes
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posted June 15, 2011 11:05 AM
The only time im glad for reprints, is when the core set comes around. Usually there isnt much in those sets that i need to pick up. Im usually 3 months behind on picking up mythic playsets. Im glad i only needed 1 of each equipment for standard. But yeah, like slinga said, they are flooding the market with all these products.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Eatatjoes on June 15, 2011]
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mm1983
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posted June 15, 2011 12:44 PM
Stores like Target or Wal Mart that still have these kind of decks try to blow them out at 50% as they get older. Example of this. A few weeks ago, Target had 4 of the Fire and Lightning decks left that they couldnt sell so they had them marked down to $17.50 from the $34.99 MSRP price. My friend and I bought all 4 of them.
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WeedIan
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posted June 15, 2011 12:48 PM
If its making them money they will keep doing it.__________________
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Meddling Pimp
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posted June 15, 2011 01:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by mm1983:
Stores like Target or Wal Mart that still have these kind of decks try to blow them out at 50% as they get older. Example of this. A few weeks ago, Target had 4 of the Fire and Lightning decks left that they couldnt sell so they had them marked down to $17.50 from the $34.99 MSRP price. My friend and I bought all 4 of them.
My Target has had several of these at that price for some time and they still haven't sold.
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Volcanon
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posted June 15, 2011 01:38 PM
The only good part is that old cards get the new face treatment.Otherwise, maybe they could spend more resources in not printing a card that ruins standard like Jace. (Though Jace doesn't even pass the 5-year-old test, where you ask a five year old if it's balanced or not).
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Teferi Planeswalker
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posted June 15, 2011 06:11 PM
I thought this topic was a petition to reprint the card "fatigue".I am starting to move from competitive player to casual player, and these reprinted sets are great values and good fun for some kitchen table fun.
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Markers
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posted June 16, 2011 12:40 AM
I am sick of it.It's too much. So many alter art are floating around that one can never acquire all of them without a HUGE time investment. And I feel that the amount of these reprints increases by the year. Every month there is something going one. __________________
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yukizora
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posted June 16, 2011 12:47 AM
I love the new design Mishra's and Daze 
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bigbob585
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posted June 16, 2011 12:48 AM
All of these new promo/premium/box set/duel deck releases are pretty killer. Many of the cards are the same although at least with archenemy/planechase/commander they've reprinted cards that have only seen one printing previously.It's pretty tough on us shops as well because now we all have to crack enough of them to maintain a basic stock and after all the time it takes to crack, sort, and inventory, we've lost money.
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Liq
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posted June 16, 2011 02:21 PM
I see it as the beginning of the end of the reprint policy. I'd go as far as to say that I'd expect it to be gone within the next 5 to 10 years.__________________
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stu55
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posted June 16, 2011 03:16 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
The only good part is that old cards get the new face treatment.
And that's a good thing?
[Edited 1 times, lastly by stu55 on June 16, 2011]
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mm1983
Member
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posted June 16, 2011 03:25 PM
When it comes to foils I think the original should always hold more value than any promo foil because the original is harder to find.
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Volcanon
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posted June 16, 2011 03:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
I see it as the beginning of the end of the reprint policy. I'd go as far as to say that I'd expect it to be gone within the next 5 to 10 years.
You mean how they were chipping away at it (Clone, etc) and then seem to have decided to stop, apparently based on what looks like legal advice?
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choco man
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posted June 16, 2011 04:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
I see it as the beginning of the end of the reprint policy. I'd go as far as to say that I'd expect it to be gone within the next 5 to 10 years.
I don't know. Within the next 5 to 10 years, I would rather they just keep coming out with new cards.
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skizzikmonger
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posted June 16, 2011 07:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
I see it as the beginning of the end of the reprint policy. I'd go as far as to say that I'd expect it to be gone within the next 5 to 10 years.
It will be gone sooner if Hasbro ever figures out that they would make a **** load of money on any special release, such as a paper version of Master's edition, that included legacy staples. There are only two things I don't like about these reprints; 1) the local shops jack up the price, and 2) the foils warp the second they touch air.
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bigbob585
Member
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posted June 16, 2011 11:11 PM
They need to make more reprints like dirtcowl wurm.. they have the embossing but also the staying power.. or at least create a better quality foil.
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yukizora
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posted June 17, 2011 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by stu55:
And that's a good thing?
I think so, at least.
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JensK
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posted June 17, 2011 01:10 AM
What if they made an announcement five or more years ahead of time, that they would abandon the reserved list? Surely that would smooth out the 'panic'?
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MTDetermine
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posted June 17, 2011 08:44 AM
Guys, please read up more, PLEASE. If I remember correctly, from what I read here and MTGSalvation, after WOTC started printing Mox Diamond and Berserk as FTV (both cards were on Reserved List), some collectors/traders were unhappy and hired lawyers to speak to Hasbro. Thereafter, Hasbro received legal advice that printing Reserved List cards as "FTV" is not sound legally. So Hasbro came out and announced that 2010 onwards, cards on Reserved List will no longer be reprinted, whether as FTV or other promotional foils/cards. The exception is reprinting them (Reserved List cards) as large collectible cards that is not tourney legal (eg: such as those 6 by 9 inch collectible cards).
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