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tyler416nes
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posted June 23, 2011 01:50 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for tyler416nes Send a private message to tyler416nes Click to send tyler416nes an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Ugh having just bought a collection it looks like everywhere I look cards are getting reprinted. Oh nice Grim Lavamancers....core set.....sweet playset of entombs......foil deck......awesome hua tuo....possibly in FTV legends. Turns out this game is a horrible investment after all and with the increased pressure on the reserved list years down the road I see that getting abolished too. Time to flip everything I have but my decks lol.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by tyler416nes:
Ugh having just bought a collection it looks like everywhere I look cards are getting reprinted. Oh nice Grim Lavamancers....core set.....sweet playset of entombs......foil deck......awesome hua tuo....possibly in FTV legends. Turns out this game is a horrible investment after all and with the increased pressure on the reserved list years down the road I see that getting abolished too. Time to flip everything I have but my decks lol.

You are very right. Over the last 2 years, I have been saying what you said. But people like stu55 just bashed me.

But for the Reserved List, they will not touch that. Reason is that Hasbro has consulted lawyers whose opinion is not to touch the Reserved List.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by MTDetermine:
You are very right. Over the last 2 years, I have been saying what you said. But people like stu55 just bashed me.

But for the Reserved List, they will not touch that. Reason is that Hasbro has consulted lawyers whose opinion is not to touch the Reserved List.


Reprints don't seem like any more of an issue today than long ago. Revised, 4E, 5E and Chronicles had a huge number of reprints, including many hard to find cards. As the base sets today are starting to introduce new cards, I see the reprint portion shifting more to the preconstructed decks and special reprints.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by psrex:
Reprints don't seem like any more of an issue today than long ago. Revised, 4E, 5E and Chronicles had a huge number of reprints, including many hard to find cards. As the base sets today are starting to introduce new cards, I see the reprint portion shifting more to the preconstructed decks and special reprints.

I wasn't playing at Chronicles. Was the set warmly received? Did the secondary market tank?

 
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I personally think that all of these reprints are lame. To me it just feels like magic is becoming a money grab machine by hasbro. while i am not completely oblivious that the idea is to make a profit, you would think that they would take in to consideration of "flooding" the market with all of this new stuff. I mean, there will be a point where too much will be too much, things just won't be worth the money, and in turn people will stop buying. What makes it even worse, is that they do this during a recession.

:/

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quote:
Originally posted by Trag3dy:
money grab machine by hasbro.

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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
I wasn't playing at Chronicles. Was the set warmly received? Did the secondary market tank?

Chronicles and 4th Edition reprints nearly killed the game back in 94/95. Prices of chase rares dropped like crazy (Carrion Ants/Killer Bees were around $50 before 4th and afterwards $4 - $10)...

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I thought chronicles is what prompted WoTC to release the original reserved list?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Ihateworking:
I thought chronicles is what prompted WoTC to release the original reserved list?

yes, after the Chronicles and 4th fallout...wotc realized they had to do something and created the list.

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I'm of the opinion that there are far too many cards being printed at the moment. I'd prefer to return to the days when core sets were purely reprints, special sets and decks like FTV/Commander were exciting exceptions to the regular print runs, and new cards were limited to expansions. I'm sick of mythic rares, too. And I'm sick of the power creep, which has been a tad extreme of late.

But as long as we're printing a million and one cards, I'd like to see the Reserved List scrapped and Legacy staples opened up to a broader set of people.


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Myy
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quote:
Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:

But as long as we're printing a million and one cards, I'd like to see the Reserved List scrapped and Legacy staples opened up to a broader set of people.


I agree with you to an extent. that's why if they're going to print reprints why not make new cards?

Peter, the grim lavamancer
Legendary wizard creature. R
R, T, remove two cards in your GY from he game: deal 2 damage to whatever.
1/1

With this, you don't have lavamancer 5-8, they didn't reprint anything. they keep players happy and collector, well, they always find a way to get upset.. but maybe not so much?

i dunno. I mean the reserved list of so fragile. like some people said a long time ago, they could as well just create snow covered duals, Ornew duals with the basics subtypes like the Rav duals.

Tropical River ( awful name i know)
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land- Forest island
Comes into play tapped if you control 3 other lands.


ta-da! Legacy players only really need them the first turns anyway, and can be fetched up. they are strictly worse than original duals, but still playable in Zoo, Agrro, elfball, some Combo. make this rare, and they will probably be $10 like new fetches but not $40+

good idea, bad idea?


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^ I've heard/read about that story before, does anyone have a source for it?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Myy:
I agree with you to an extent. that's why if they're going to print reprints why not make new cards?

Peter, the grim lavamancer
Legendary wizard creature. R
R, T, remove two cards in your GY from he game: deal 2 damage to whatever.
1/1

With this, you don't have lavamancer 5-8, they didn't reprint anything.
good idea, bad idea?


I think you dont realize, this is EXACTLY lavamancer 5-8. You can run the original right next to this one. might as well just reprint the original and not make something this ugly.

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Originally posted by thror:
I think you dont realize, this is EXACTLY lavamancer 5-8. You can run the original right next to this one. might as well just reprint the original and not make something this ugly.


lol, well I'd see it as maybe 5-6 because you won't want more than 2 in your hand anyway.

but how else to create the same card without creating the same card, ya know. unless of course the answer is to not recreate the card and just plain reprint it, but then we have the original problem =/ .

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Markers:
Chronicles and 4th Edition reprints nearly killed the game back in 94/95. Prices of chase rares dropped like crazy (Carrion Ants/Killer Bees were around $50 before 4th and afterwards $4 - $10)...


Yep, this.

I remember having a couple of Legends Craw Giants that had trade offers on them every time I visited the FLGS. After Chronicles they became just another junk rare sitting in my binder.

Before the release of Chronicles and 4th, most Legends, Arabian Nights and Antiquities cards were scarce in my area. Packs of these were available for sale, but they had a $18 price tag for Legends, $12 for Antiquities and $25 for Arabian Nights if I remember correctly and most folks didn't want to spend that much on a pack of cards. All of a sudden with the reprints, there were a ton of many of these cards readily available for cheap. Emotions ran to both ends of the spectrum. Those people who owned some of the harder-to-find cards were ****ed and worried that their other non-reprinted cards like Mirror Universe, Ali from Cairo, Juzam Djinn, etc. would be in the next set and those who wanted those harder-to-find cards and didn't have any were delighted to have the chance to own these cards. As a collector I have to admit that at the time I did worry a lot about the value of the set of Legends and Antiquities that I was trying to put together, and almost abandoned them due to those reprints.

I don't mind the reprints as much now I guess. It almost seems to be inevitable in any collectible hobby now days the way I see it. Plus it allows me to get some of the cards I may have missed out on and can't afford now. I gave up on collecting around Mirage and dumped most of my sets I had collected up to that point. I still try and acquire NM/Mint copies of 'hot' cards to keep set aside, but I'm not going to lose sleep if they do reprint them.

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Well i thought the thing was that they weren't going to reprint functionally identical cards as on the Reserve List

Snow duals are still snow but who really plays anything that actually means they are more frail.
And that's basically just like cheating around their agreement.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
Well i thought the thing was that they weren't going to reprint functionally identical cards as on the Reserve List

The policy says they can't create functional reprints. So, just changing the name doesn't work. Personally, I don't mind the reprints as it lets me drag out the old versions that I already have and play them in Standard. It actually makes building Standard decks affordable in some cases. Plus, the old frame just looks better. At any rate it beats stuff like retiring Terror for Doom Blade *vomit*

I don't buy any of the ancillary products like Duel Decks, so that doesn't affect me.

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