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Topic: ChannelFireball MOTL Purchases
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baldr7
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posted October 10, 2011 03:19 PM
      
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Originally posted by stu55:
Dude, that is THE NOAH WINSTON, he is the master trader and is also above our rules clearly.It sickens me for people to think they can circumvent the rules on MOTL. I can click on a random post in the sales forum and I am more than 50% sure that person would not send first to people with more refs...one guy has like 2 refs and has been a member for 6 years and is trying that...you would think they would get the hint....
Im sorry wtf is that? Its not like i said i was above the rules. But if yoy went on cfb's website youd need to send them te cards first. I wasnt even challenging the people who said that cfb should pay first. I was only responding to the person who said it set off alarms. A retailer askig you to send first is standard practice. Even if you dont like it, it's not sketchy __________________
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choco man
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posted October 10, 2011 03:49 PM
 
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Originally posted by baldr7:
Im sorry wtf is that? Its not like i said i was above the rules. But if yoy went on cfb's website youd need to send them te cards first.
You've done a lot of deals and have good refs now. So this isn't to be taken as an afront to your credibility. I even stood up for you when other MOTL'ers were bashing you about how you sold 20k+ in a short amount of time. But I distinctly remember when you first posted on MOTL. You had no refs but still wanted to receive first. You literally posted that "you are Noah Winston from quietspec." You name-dropped Medina and said that he would vouch for your cred. Then you relaxed and were willing to send first. And THEN you got a lot more deals and now have the refs to show for it.
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baldr7
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posted October 10, 2011 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by choco man:
You've done a lot of deals and have good refs now. So this isn't to be taken as an afront to your credibility. I even stood up for you when other MOTL'ers were bashing you about how you sold 20k+ in a short amount of time.But I distinctly remember when you first posted on MOTL. You had no refs but still wanted to receive first. You literally posted that "you are Noah Winston from quietspec." You name-dropped Medina and said that he would vouch for your cred. Then you relaxed and were willing to send first. And THEN you got a lot more deals and now have the refs to show for it.
haha i do remember that. not one of my better moments, and thankfully i got down from my high horse quickly enough to actually integrate into motl __________________
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Bagbokk
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posted October 10, 2011 05:00 PM
I don't typically enjoy dealing with stores for other various reasons (though Troll and Toad has been extremely great about everything when I sold to them) but I also don't see it as a huge insult for them to ask people to send first regardless of refs. Maybe it's just the way I view refs, though. I see them simply as a proxy for trustworthiness on a site where otherwise you have no idea whether the other person is trustworthy. Stores have their own reputation already established online. From reading forums like MOTL/MTGS I can already determine whether I am likely to have an issue dealing with a store, whereas some random New Member that signs up here doesn't have that reputation.Anyway, this is starting to derail into complaints about store policies and how they don't mesh with MOTL customs anyway. I am hoping to get that check from CFB later this week and this can be done with for everyone actually involved. 
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Bagbokk on October 10, 2011]
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simbayu
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posted October 10, 2011 05:42 PM
It's sad, but selling to a store worries me more than selling to a random person on MOTL. Although, selling to Troll and Toad has been good so far.
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hilikuS
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posted October 10, 2011 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by simbayu:
It's sad, but selling to a store worries me more than selling to a random person on MOTL. Although, selling to Troll and Toad has been good so far.
Agreed, my transaction with their associate was solid.
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Absurd90
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posted October 10, 2011 06:35 PM
I have had more trouble with stores than regular motlers.
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gaeacradle
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posted October 10, 2011 08:38 PM
I'm so paranoid about selling to stores that I only did it once. It was to Troll and Toad and it went very smoothly.And now, I'm selling through MOTL to them again, and so far, very impressed with their communication and quick payment.
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Thanos
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posted October 10, 2011 08:39 PM
Anyone else find it odd that no one from CFB comes on here to defend themselves?edited for iphone auto incorrects.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Thanos on October 10, 2011]
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wayne
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posted October 10, 2011 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by Thanos:
Anyone else find it odd the no one from CFB comes on here to defend themselves?
Are they aware of this thread? I get the impression that stores only bother with the trading forums.
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MasterWolf
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posted October 11, 2011 07:46 AM
Grats on getting paid brah. I am interested in seeing what happens when the BTA report is not taken down... hehe...
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Zakman86
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posted October 11, 2011 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Grats on getting paid brah. I am interested in seeing what happens when the BTA report is not taken down... hehe...
If they were waiting on Information from him and can prove it, it should absolutely be taken down. Just my $.02. I know it's not a normal occurence but someone ELSE'S stupidity shouldn't keep a store on the BTA.
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MAB_Rapper
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posted October 11, 2011 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by simbayu:
It's sad, but selling to a store worries me more than selling to a random person on MOTL. Although, selling to Troll and Toad has been good so far.
Ok, I'm going to have to do this, because I had one major problem with Troll and Toad. They did pay first, but they pulled the money back for some reason without giving me 24 hours to even ship the cards (and it was a $200+ order). I ended up just telling them to keep their money and dropped the whole sale. __________________
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Zakman86
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posted October 11, 2011 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by MAB_Rapper:
Ok, I'm going to have to do this, because I had one major problem with Troll and Toad. They did pay first, but they pulled the money back for some reason without giving me 24 hours to even ship the cards (and it was a $200+ order). I ended up just telling them to keep their money and dropped the whole sale.
To be fair, pobody's nerfect. (switch the p and the n if you're confused.)
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MasterWolf
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posted October 11, 2011 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by Zakman86:
If they were waiting on Information from him and can prove it, it should absolutely be taken down. Just my $.02. I know it's not a normal occurence but someone ELSE'S stupidity shouldn't keep a store on the BTA.
Pretty sure MOTL almost never deletes BTA cases.
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Bagbokk
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posted October 11, 2011 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Pretty sure MOTL almost never deletes BTA cases.
I think this is true, though I'm not sure it's great as a hard rule since there are people who post BTAs without any basis for doing so... see the most recent non-CFB one for example. Sure, you win the BTA and anyone who clicks on that thread can see that, but your name still goes on a google search with "Bad Trader" by it. quote:
If they were waiting on Information from him and can prove it, it should absolutely be taken down. Just my $.02. I know it's not a normal occurence but someone ELSE'S stupidity shouldn't keep a store on the BTA.
From what I can see in the emails, at best it was a misunderstanding and sub-par communication on the part of CFB. MTD sent them a few emails asking them to confirm receipt of the cards with no response, then sent them another email providing them with my address, and only after he didn't get a response to that, BTA'd them. CFB did initially say to provide them the info and they'll send the money out after some GP, and I don't think the info was provided until after the request for confirmation emails. I'm not entirely convinced that CFB was deliberately trying to screw MTD over, but it wouldn't have taken more than 10 seconds to shoot him an email back saying that they received the cards but still needed the address to send to.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Bagbokk on October 11, 2011]
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bigbob585
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posted October 11, 2011 01:20 PM
While I don't know if your order was missing, it is my understanding that somebody broke into their shop and stole a massive amount of inventory including boxes with buy orders in them. I won't speculate on the full story though.
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Souladvocate
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posted October 11, 2011 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by daner:
So our ref system is nothing more than bull**** to you? That's what I'm taking from your comments. As a MOTL member they SHOULD if they have a lot less refs than you. Welcome to MOTL, our system has been in place for a long time and has worked perfectly. If you don't like it then GET THE **** OUT!. T&T actually respects the ref system, like you should. Tired of people coming on here demanding that we send first to them bc they are reputable on Ebay, own a store, etc etc....I didn't build refs to ship off my cards to someone else first. Earn your MOTL stripes.
I personally refuse to deal with CFB anymore. If I have inquiries, they go unanswered. Which is just s***** cutstomer service & eventhough he posts a buylist on motl, he'll just refer to his site & make you look up everything & submit it there...which usually by the time I get to the site & attempt to do so, the buy prices are different anyhow (lower). So I'll just not waste my time & deal with other fellow motlers & use OUR REF system. We've all built reputations here. If CFB wants to use MOTL as a way to bring in business by just referring you to his site, I'm not game. Troll&Toad on the other hand, I've had no problems with them what-so-ever. Everything always goes smooth with them & they don't refer me to their site to do any of their business. They use MOTL the way it's intended to be used.
Just use the site accordingly people, & respect our references too! That's all I'm sayin'
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AlmostGrown
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posted October 11, 2011 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by Souladvocate:
Troll&Toad on the other hand, I've had no problems with them what-so-ever. Everything always goes smooth with them & they don't refer me to their site to do any of their business. They use MOTL the way it's intended to be used.
Hell, on their thread they even announce that they'll pay first if they have less refs and all that ON THEIR THREAD. They're a prime example of how a store should act while buying on MOTL.
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gaeacradle
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posted October 11, 2011 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Hell, on their thread they even announce that they'll pay first if they have less refs and all that ON THEIR THREAD. They're a prime example of how a store should act while buying on MOTL.
Amen to that! And that goes for any wannabe-dealer too!
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wayne
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posted October 11, 2011 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
I think this is true, though I'm not sure it's great as a hard rule since there are people who post BTAs without any basis for doing so... see the most recent non-CFB one for example. Sure, you win the BTA and anyone who clicks on that thread can see that, but your name still goes on a google search with "Bad Trader" by it.
Are you referring to HilikuS?
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Bagbokk
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posted October 11, 2011 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by wayne:
Are you referring to HilikuS?
Yeah, I didn't want to name anyone but I guess it's hard to figure out which post is the "newest" BTA post since the replies on the other ones bumped it down (and it got closed).
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MasterWolf
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posted October 11, 2011 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
I think this is true, though I'm not sure it's great as a hard rule since there are people who post BTAs without any basis for doing so... see the most recent non-CFB one for example. Sure, you win the BTA and anyone who clicks on that thread can see that, but your name still goes on a google search with "Bad Trader" by it.
For the sake of argument, why was there no basis? There was an absolute basis and I for one am glad he's listed there. Therefore if it happens again, people will know he's done it before. I mean, he could have just NOT sent the card and kept the $30 profit. If that was the case, would the BTA be justified?
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gaeacradle
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posted October 11, 2011 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
For the sake of argument, why was there no basis? There was an absolute basis and I for one am glad he's listed there. Therefore if it happens again, people will know he's done it before. I mean, he could have just NOT sent the card and kept the $30 profit. If that was the case, would the BTA be justified?
Yup yup. There was a case a few month ago that one of the parties involved had more-than-normal amount of lost mail coming to him. The mods made him put it in his rule that the other party MUST use DC when trading with him.
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Cyno
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posted October 11, 2011 09:57 PM
I agree with Masterwolf here. If a case like this doesn't get reported, people will abuse it by using this as a way to back out of a trade.As for the CFB trade, I'm mostly on cfb's side with this one (if their story is the truth). The only thing left unresolved there is the last question a mod asked on that thread. And the last point, about some of the stores ignoring refs when setting up sending rules. MOTL doesn't have rules against this. Simple as that, anyone is free to demand the other to ship first on whatever basis. Don't like it? Don't deal with those stores/people. I have to say I really don't like the attitude some of the older members here have. It just screams 'We don't want your kind around here' to me. But I guess you're free to express those feelings here, just keep the hostility out of the BTA threads.
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